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That would result in insanity for me. Is there any argument other than it seems like cave people must have?

vanderZwan 5mo ago
Well, this is probably a thing where humans are very diverse in their subjective experience. I'd say this is definitely a noticeable thing with small children at family gatherings, birthday parties and the like. But I grew up in a household where both of my parents came from families where big family gatherings with even extended family was common, and I know not everyone has that kind of experience, so who knows how much of that is nature or nurture as well. In my case however this has persisted well into adulthood: despite being a chronic insomniac who has a really hard time falling a sleep normally, at these types of social gatherings I often have to fight off falling asleep precisely because I feel comfortable and safe among friends and/or family (I wonder if that is in any way related to my ADHD).
- sublinear 5mo ago
  I also get sleepy at gatherings. It's something really subtle and hard to defend against, but brutally simple. It's the food and air quality. There's a lot of people in an enclosed environment eating too many carbs (or too much in general). Timing is critical and I'm on a mission. Before the heavy food comes out, I grab a seltzer and a small salad. I convince some people to join me on the patio for a drink. It's important to arrive late enough that people are eager to break away, but well before any food ceremony.
  - vanderZwan 5mo ago
    Nah, food comas are noticeably different, at least for me. Plus I also had this drowsiness at student parties where I whs the only sober guy (because tee-totaller) while everyone got tipsy, and no food was involved either.
smackeyacky 5mo ago
Safety. If something creeps up hopefully one of you is partly awake to raise the alarm. I sometimes think cats are still like this, they seem to sleep very soundly around people but only snooze and are easily startled when isolated.
Nzen 5mo ago
If I am to believe the creator of the _History in Taberna_ youtube channel, communal beds were a medieval to early modern practice in inns [0]. [0] https://youtu.be/5IPQIl-FiCY?si=drUMJuR5tLLppWqD&t=738 https://youtu.be/5IPQIl-FiCY?si=drUMJuR5tLLppWqD&t=738 relevant section is 13:00 - 14:00 of a 30 minute video about various inn / tavern aspects.
dzhiurgis 5mo ago
Not just you. Most are insane already. Temperature, noise, light, other partner, pillows, ventilation, caffeine, wind down (including me as I write this comment) - majority of people mismanage this so badly. We spend 1/3rd of our time on it, it's probably top 5 of most important things in our life, yet we butcher it so badly.
- etrautmann 5mo ago
  I can't disagree with that, myself included. I've gotten MUCH better about caffeine discipline but that's only a start.

Well, this is probably a thing where humans are very diverse in their subjective experience. I'd say this is definitely a noticeable thing with small children at family gatherings, birthday parties and the like. But I grew up in a household where both of my parents came from families where big family gatherings with even extended family was common, and I know not everyone has that kind of experience, so who knows how much of that is nature or nurture as well. In my case however this has persisted well into adulthood: despite being a chronic insomniac who has a really hard time falling a sleep normally, at these types of social gatherings I often have to fight off falling asleep precisely because I feel comfortable and safe among friends and/or family (I wonder if that is in any way related to my ADHD).

sublinear 5mo ago
I also get sleepy at gatherings. It's something really subtle and hard to defend against, but brutally simple. It's the food and air quality. There's a lot of people in an enclosed environment eating too many carbs (or too much in general). Timing is critical and I'm on a mission. Before the heavy food comes out, I grab a seltzer and a small salad. I convince some people to join me on the patio for a drink. It's important to arrive late enough that people are eager to break away, but well before any food ceremony.
- vanderZwan 5mo ago
  Nah, food comas are noticeably different, at least for me. Plus I also had this drowsiness at student parties where I whs the only sober guy (because tee-totaller) while everyone got tipsy, and no food was involved either.

smackeyacky 5mo ago

Safety. If something creeps up hopefully one of you is partly awake to raise the alarm. I sometimes think cats are still like this, they seem to sleep very soundly around people but only snooze and are easily startled when isolated.

Nzen 5mo ago

If I am to believe the creator of the _History in Taberna_ youtube channel, communal beds were a medieval to early modern practice in inns [0]. [0] https://youtu.be/5IPQIl-FiCY?si=drUMJuR5tLLppWqD&t=738 https://youtu.be/5IPQIl-FiCY?si=drUMJuR5tLLppWqD&t=738 relevant section is 13:00 - 14:00 of a 30 minute video about various inn / tavern aspects.

dzhiurgis 5mo ago

Not just you. Most are insane already. Temperature, noise, light, other partner, pillows, ventilation, caffeine, wind down (including me as I write this comment) - majority of people mismanage this so badly. We spend 1/3rd of our time on it, it's probably top 5 of most important things in our life, yet we butcher it so badly.

etrautmann 5mo ago
I can't disagree with that, myself included. I've gotten MUCH better about caffeine discipline but that's only a start.