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> rusqlite (sqlite), clap (cli), ratatui (tui), and tauri (gui) Does any language, except like Java, exist with a standard library comprising matching that? A

> rusqlite (sqlite), clap (cli), ratatui (tui), and tauri (gui) Does any language, except like Java, exist with a standard library comprising matching that? Also, keep in mind that Tauri itself is 14 crates, where each one shows up in your build tree. https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri/blob/dev/Cargo.toml https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri/blob/dev/Cargo.toml And Ratatui is 6: https://github.com/ratatui/ratatui/blob/main/Cargo.toml https://github.com/ratatui/ratatui/blob/main/Cargo.toml

PyWoody 5mo ago
Python has sqlite3[0], curses (tui) [1], and tkinter[2] in the stdlib. [0] https://docs.python.org/3/library/sqlite3.html https://docs.python.org/3/library/sqlite3.html [1] https://docs.python.org/3/library/curses.html https://docs.python.org/3/library/curses.html [2] https://docs.python.org/3/library/tkinter.html https://docs.python.org/3/library/tkinter.html
- ViewTrick1002 5mo ago
  Right. The famous stdlib where once good libraries go to die so you instead depend on the latest community replacement choice. Also argparse for Clap: https://docs.python.org/3/library/argparse.html https://docs.python.org/3/library/argparse.html
  - dwattttt 5mo ago
    To highlight the problem for Python: Python's standard library has getopt, optparse, and now argparse. I don't think they set out to offer 3 argument parsing libs, one of which is marked superseded, but here we are.
- chlorion 5mo ago
  And ironically with the exception of the python sqlite3 module, the rust alternatives are much higher quality, IMO. Does anyone even use tkinter in modern times anyways?
  - PyWoody 5mo ago
    I wouldn't start a company behind it but tkinter is perfectly fine for basic guis. It has its quirks but who doesn't?
amusingimpala75 5mo ago
At least in the case of sqlite, rusqlite pulled in 5 or so in total whereas Go had a single library that was a thin wrapper around sqlite, and integrated into the stdlib interface. Many fewer deps Edit: counts are fair, that’s still hundreds unaccounted

PyWoody 5mo ago

Python has sqlite3[0], curses (tui) [1], and tkinter[2] in the stdlib. [0] https://docs.python.org/3/library/sqlite3.html https://docs.python.org/3/library/sqlite3.html [1] https://docs.python.org/3/library/curses.html https://docs.python.org/3/library/curses.html [2] https://docs.python.org/3/library/tkinter.html https://docs.python.org/3/library/tkinter.html

ViewTrick1002 5mo ago
Right. The famous stdlib where once good libraries go to die so you instead depend on the latest community replacement choice. Also argparse for Clap: https://docs.python.org/3/library/argparse.html https://docs.python.org/3/library/argparse.html
- dwattttt 5mo ago
  To highlight the problem for Python: Python's standard library has getopt, optparse, and now argparse. I don't think they set out to offer 3 argument parsing libs, one of which is marked superseded, but here we are.
chlorion 5mo ago
And ironically with the exception of the python sqlite3 module, the rust alternatives are much higher quality, IMO. Does anyone even use tkinter in modern times anyways?
- PyWoody 5mo ago
  I wouldn't start a company behind it but tkinter is perfectly fine for basic guis. It has its quirks but who doesn't?

amusingimpala75 5mo ago

At least in the case of sqlite, rusqlite pulled in 5 or so in total whereas Go had a single library that was a thin wrapper around sqlite, and integrated into the stdlib interface. Many fewer deps Edit: counts are fair, that’s still hundreds unaccounted