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>anthropomorphism problem. AI is a tool. It needs to be subservient. Suggesting it should be 'subservient' is also anthropomorphizing. I think your callout is
by operatingthetan 5mo ago
>anthropomorphism problem. AI is a tool. It needs to be subservient.
Suggesting it should be 'subservient' is also anthropomorphizing. I think your callout is correct, but you still can't help but refer to it in terms we use for other people or living entities. This is by design from the AI companies.
- gchamonlive 5mo ago> Suggesting it should be 'subservient' is also anthropomorphizing. Not really, you can program a machine to give out orders humans can interpret, so humans can serve a machine that isn't anthropomorphized.
- operatingthetan 5mo agoThe machine in your scenario is just relaying human intent.
- gchamonlive 5mo agoAnd what's the difference between that machine and LLMs?
- operatingthetan 5mo agoYou are using poor (inverse) analogies and don't seem to be actually addressing anthropomorphism.
- gchamonlive 5mo agoI did in my first comment, you just didn't agree with my point that subservience doesn't require anthropomorphism, but didn't bother to address why. Also, you didn't address my question, what's the difference between them?
- irishcoffee 5mo agoMy drill, hammer, and chainsaw are also subservient, they just have a much cruder form of communication, noise.
- throwawaysoxjje 5mo agoYou’re still anthropomorphizing. They’re not communicating, you’re just being observant.
- operatingthetan 5mo ago>They’re not communicating, you’re just being observant. Since we are talking about hammers: you hit the nail on the head. The only consciousness, observing, and thinking happening when a person is using an LLM is happening in the person's brain. We project our own consciousness onto them, and that is the anthropomorphizing part. Essentially we empathize with the object because they are designed to respond like a person. The "conversation" is purely an illusion.
- operatingthetan 5mo agoThe apple dictionary says the word means "prepared to obey others unquestioningly." I don't think an inanimate object is capable of "obeying." Or at least that is a very strange way to refer to the act of using a tool.
- ambicapter 5mo agoYou can refer to it however you want, the outcome is the same.
- operatingthetan 5mo agoThis is a conversation about semantics, so suggesting semantics is irrelevant to the outcome is not germane to the discussion at hand.
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- wild_egg 5mo agoWe train dogs to be subservient but that doesn't automatically mean we anthropomorphize them
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- vrc 5mo agoIt's widely hypothesized that dogs anthropomorphized themselves, so to speak, accentuating their expressive eyes and eyebrows over generations to be more human-like in how they communicate. And very few humans today view their dogs as pure working tools -- most at least say "good boy".
- ambicapter 5mo agoThe AI should be subservient the way same way a ladder is subservient. A ladder is not a human.
- throwatdem12311 5mo agoAI should be subservient in the same way a hammer is subservient.
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- mercanlIl 5mo agoWhich is to say, not at all? A hammer isn’t subservient, it doesn’t have the capacity to be. Saying a hammer is subservient is stretching the definition for literary flourish, but it doesn’t actually make a lot of sense. The definition that came up for subservient when I checked was “prepared to obey others unquestioningly“.
- hansmayer 5mo agoYou took it too literally. It means, the f*ing tool should do one thing well and f*off with its crappy "suggestions". Why is my washing machine trying to do talk to me nowadays? Once its done washing my clothes, it should just shut the f*up and turn itself off. I"ll tend to the clothes when I have time. Not when the machine tells me to. We are overwhelmed with the machines designed by morons in product management who think they are designing futuristic tech when they ask engineers to build a beeping washing machine.
- zaat 5mo agoThe idea is that by the time you will have time and remember the clothes might be smelly and wrinkled. The issue is with the genius product manager that decided the washing machine should have the most annoying beep possible, repeating every minute whether you like it or not, until turned off. Luckily, some manufacturers do employ better product manager.
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- amarant 5mo agoYup! I'm very much included in this particular problem! My self awareness has not yet been sufficient to solve the problem, but I've heard that knowing you have a problem is half the battle, so I guess that's something at least.
- operatingthetan 5mo agoIn retrospect my comment feels a bit nitpicky, I appreciate your levelheaded approach!