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Not feeling like 1 hour of my Sunday is worth listening to this, do anyone have the non-clickbait answers to the two "previews" mentioned in the description? >

Not feeling like 1 hour of my Sunday is worth listening to this, do anyone have the non-clickbait answers to the two "previews" mentioned in the description? > Greg explains how the original Napa offsite produced the three-step technical plan OpenAI has followed for a decade and the real reason OpenAI had to abandon its pure nonprofit structure What was the technical plan and what was the "real reason" they couldn't achieve their original goals?

bblb 5mo ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JoUcQ1qmAc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JoUcQ1qmAc 00:00:00 Introduction 00:00:49 Meeting Sam Altman and Starting OpenAI 00:02:40 Building the Founding Team 00:04:25 DeepMind's Lead Over OpenAI 00:04:54 The Change from a Pure Non-Profit 00:06:05 Breakthrough Moments at OpenAI 00:08:22 What Dota 2 Meant for OpenAI 00:10:04 Reasoning Versus Prediction 00:11:59 Tensions Grow at OpenAI 00:15:44 Sam Altman's Firing 00:17:49 Greg Quits OpenAI 00:19:56 Sam Explores Deal with Microsoft's Satya 00:20:28 OpenAI Employees Sign Petition for Altman's Return 00:23:43 Ilya Sutskever Leaves OpenAI 00:24:59 Lessons Learned in Leadership after Sam Ousting 00:28:22 The Thing Ilya Said that Greg Can't Forget 00:32:22 Is AI Going Parabolic? 00:33:24 How Much of OpenAI's Code is Written by AI? 00:36:21 Are AI Chatbots Just Telling Us What We Want to Hear? 00:38:06 The Global AI Race to Reach AGI 00:38:40 What Happens if US Doesn't Reach AGI First? 00:39:49 Are Competing Countries Stealing AI Advancements from U.S? 00:40:38 Why ChatGPT No Longer Shows Reasoning 00:41:47 The Finite Constraints of Compute 00:43:38 On Investing Early in Data Centers 00:46:31 The Future of Data Center Specialization 00:47:52 How OpenAI Will Decide Whose Queries to Serve 00:49:08 OpenAI on Consumer vs Enterprise Models 00:53:05 Data Centers in Space? 01:00:56 What Should AI Regulation Look Like? 01:04:33 The Future of AI-Powered Entrepreneurship 01:04:44 AI and Job Loss 01:07:15 The Skills Young People Should Invest In 01:11:30 What Does Success Look Like For You?
dave1010uk 5mo ago
1. Solve reinforcement learning. 2. solve unsupervised learning. 3. gradually tackle more complicated things. > what was the "real reason" they couldn't achieve their original goals? I assume this is referring to why they gave up being a non-profit. The answer is that they needed more money.
- embedding-shape 5mo ago
  Huh, I guess ML people weren't aware of "divide and conquer" that has been successfully employed in software engineering since basically forever? > I assume this is referring to why they gave up being a non-profit. The answer is that they needed more money. Ugh, that was more boring than even I expected, thanks a lot for saving me the time though, seems avoiding watching the full thing was worth it.
  - adastra22 5mo ago
    Not that they wanted more money personally, but that they needed more money for compute.
    - peterdsharpe 5mo ago
      "Financially, what will take me to $1B?" -Greg Brockman, August 2017
- arvid-lind 5mo ago
  > The answer is that they needed more money. isn't it still an odd choice for a nonprofit? it's hard to imagine a world without OpenAI and ChatGPT now, but at some point they decided being the best is most important. and presumably most profitable, since why just need a little more money?
  - gizajob 5mo ago
    Trivial to imagine everyone switching to Anthropic or Google or on-device LLMs.
  - mycall 5mo ago
    Don't all nonprofits need more money to improve their sustainment?
    - nativeit 5mo ago
      Maybe, but somehow I doubt the American Heart Association is planning to open a chain of pork barbecue restaurants to support its mission against heart disease.
applfanboysbgon 5mo ago
> What was the technical plan "1. Solve reinforcement learning 2. Solve unsupervised learning 3. Gradually learn more complicated 'things'" That three point list is verbatim the extent of the technical plan mentioned. > what was the "real reason" they couldn't achieve their original goals? Paraphrasing, "we needed more money for compute and didn't think we could get enough as a non-profit". Brockman's diary might be a stronger indicator of the real real reason, though.
- cma 5mo ago
  Unsupervised
- coalstartprob 5mo ago
  the real real reason being gdb wanting to be a billionaire ;)
- armchairhacker 5mo ago
  What was the real real reason? I imagine if they stayed nonprofit, they would’ve survived, but not convinced investors to give them enough $$$ and datacenters to stay the most popular (above Google).
  - wahnfrieden 5mo ago
    To get rich of course
  - Lerc 5mo ago
    If they stayed small and 100% non-profit, would the influence or value of the non profit be more, or less, than it is today? I think the non-profit has around 25% ownership of something that is around a trillion dollars of on-paper money. I guess we will see what things are still worth when the crazy days come to an end.
    - orra 5mo ago
      > I think the non-profit has around 25% ownership of something that is around a trillion dollars of on-paper money. But the purpose of a non profit is not to maximise profit in a for profit investment. How well is non profit doing at furthering its goals? It formerly had the purpose of “safely” ensuring artificial intelligence benefits all of humanity. It looks like it gave up on that so its staff could be incredibly rich.
siva7 5mo ago
> Not feeling like 1 hour of my Sunday is worth listening to this, do anyone have the non-clickbait answers to the two "previews" mentioned in the description? I know HN is built around mostly not reading the articles linked but how about you click on the link and surprise, there is already exactly another link providing what you're asking for.
- embedding-shape 5mo ago
  You mean the transcript that is behind a account/paywall? Or is there some other link I'm missing?
  - siva7 5mo ago
    Yes, you're missing the link at the end of the article for free.
  - monkey_monkey 5mo ago
    Apparently we're all expected to somehow know that "Granola notes" is a summary of the conversation.
jstummbillig 5mo ago
Granola notes are a 1 Minute read: https://notes.granola.ai/d/2c35c84f-6eb4-497a-8419-294d92141721 https://notes.granola.ai/d/2c35c84f-6eb4-497a-8419-294d92141...
tcp_handshaker 5mo ago
>> What was the technical plan and what was the "real reason" they couldn't achieve their original goals? Because they were still downloading from Anna's Archive and the lawyers were in panic?

bblb 5mo ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JoUcQ1qmAc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JoUcQ1qmAc 00:00:00 Introduction 00:00:49 Meeting Sam Altman and Starting OpenAI 00:02:40 Building the Founding Team 00:04:25 DeepMind's Lead Over OpenAI 00:04:54 The Change from a Pure Non-Profit 00:06:05 Breakthrough Moments at OpenAI 00:08:22 What Dota 2 Meant for OpenAI 00:10:04 Reasoning Versus Prediction 00:11:59 Tensions Grow at OpenAI 00:15:44 Sam Altman's Firing 00:17:49 Greg Quits OpenAI 00:19:56 Sam Explores Deal with Microsoft's Satya 00:20:28 OpenAI Employees Sign Petition for Altman's Return 00:23:43 Ilya Sutskever Leaves OpenAI 00:24:59 Lessons Learned in Leadership after Sam Ousting 00:28:22 The Thing Ilya Said that Greg Can't Forget 00:32:22 Is AI Going Parabolic? 00:33:24 How Much of OpenAI's Code is Written by AI? 00:36:21 Are AI Chatbots Just Telling Us What We Want to Hear? 00:38:06 The Global AI Race to Reach AGI 00:38:40 What Happens if US Doesn't Reach AGI First? 00:39:49 Are Competing Countries Stealing AI Advancements from U.S? 00:40:38 Why ChatGPT No Longer Shows Reasoning 00:41:47 The Finite Constraints of Compute 00:43:38 On Investing Early in Data Centers 00:46:31 The Future of Data Center Specialization 00:47:52 How OpenAI Will Decide Whose Queries to Serve 00:49:08 OpenAI on Consumer vs Enterprise Models 00:53:05 Data Centers in Space? 01:00:56 What Should AI Regulation Look Like? 01:04:33 The Future of AI-Powered Entrepreneurship 01:04:44 AI and Job Loss 01:07:15 The Skills Young People Should Invest In 01:11:30 What Does Success Look Like For You?

dave1010uk 5mo ago

1. Solve reinforcement learning. 2. solve unsupervised learning. 3. gradually tackle more complicated things. > what was the "real reason" they couldn't achieve their original goals? I assume this is referring to why they gave up being a non-profit. The answer is that they needed more money.

embedding-shape 5mo ago
Huh, I guess ML people weren't aware of "divide and conquer" that has been successfully employed in software engineering since basically forever? > I assume this is referring to why they gave up being a non-profit. The answer is that they needed more money. Ugh, that was more boring than even I expected, thanks a lot for saving me the time though, seems avoiding watching the full thing was worth it.
- adastra22 5mo ago
  Not that they wanted more money personally, but that they needed more money for compute.
  - peterdsharpe 5mo ago
    "Financially, what will take me to $1B?" -Greg Brockman, August 2017
arvid-lind 5mo ago
> The answer is that they needed more money. isn't it still an odd choice for a nonprofit? it's hard to imagine a world without OpenAI and ChatGPT now, but at some point they decided being the best is most important. and presumably most profitable, since why just need a little more money?
- gizajob 5mo ago
  Trivial to imagine everyone switching to Anthropic or Google or on-device LLMs.
- mycall 5mo ago
  Don't all nonprofits need more money to improve their sustainment?
  - nativeit 5mo ago
    Maybe, but somehow I doubt the American Heart Association is planning to open a chain of pork barbecue restaurants to support its mission against heart disease.

applfanboysbgon 5mo ago

> What was the technical plan "1. Solve reinforcement learning 2. Solve unsupervised learning 3. Gradually learn more complicated 'things'" That three point list is verbatim the extent of the technical plan mentioned. > what was the "real reason" they couldn't achieve their original goals? Paraphrasing, "we needed more money for compute and didn't think we could get enough as a non-profit". Brockman's diary might be a stronger indicator of the real real reason, though.

cma 5mo ago
Unsupervised
coalstartprob 5mo ago
the real real reason being gdb wanting to be a billionaire ;)
armchairhacker 5mo ago
What was the real real reason? I imagine if they stayed nonprofit, they would’ve survived, but not convinced investors to give them enough $$$ and datacenters to stay the most popular (above Google).
- wahnfrieden 5mo ago
  To get rich of course
- Lerc 5mo ago
  If they stayed small and 100% non-profit, would the influence or value of the non profit be more, or less, than it is today? I think the non-profit has around 25% ownership of something that is around a trillion dollars of on-paper money. I guess we will see what things are still worth when the crazy days come to an end.
  - orra 5mo ago
    > I think the non-profit has around 25% ownership of something that is around a trillion dollars of on-paper money. But the purpose of a non profit is not to maximise profit in a for profit investment. How well is non profit doing at furthering its goals? It formerly had the purpose of “safely” ensuring artificial intelligence benefits all of humanity. It looks like it gave up on that so its staff could be incredibly rich.

siva7 5mo ago

> Not feeling like 1 hour of my Sunday is worth listening to this, do anyone have the non-clickbait answers to the two "previews" mentioned in the description? I know HN is built around mostly not reading the articles linked but how about you click on the link and surprise, there is already exactly another link providing what you're asking for.

embedding-shape 5mo ago
You mean the transcript that is behind a account/paywall? Or is there some other link I'm missing?
- siva7 5mo ago
  Yes, you're missing the link at the end of the article for free.
- monkey_monkey 5mo ago
  Apparently we're all expected to somehow know that "Granola notes" is a summary of the conversation.

jstummbillig 5mo ago

Granola notes are a 1 Minute read: https://notes.granola.ai/d/2c35c84f-6eb4-497a-8419-294d92141721 https://notes.granola.ai/d/2c35c84f-6eb4-497a-8419-294d92141...

tcp_handshaker 5mo ago

>> What was the technical plan and what was the "real reason" they couldn't achieve their original goals? Because they were still downloading from Anna's Archive and the lawyers were in panic?