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I personally can't understand anyone wanting to move to the US anymore except for extreme reasons. And, yes, I have actually lived in several other countries so

I personally can't understand anyone wanting to move to the US anymore except for extreme reasons. And, yes, I have actually lived in several other countries so I know how green the grass can be in different places. So with how ugly the US is being right now, what is holding back the remote worker from turning truly remote, at least in tech? For clarity here, I don't think this is a great direction. A massive strength of America has always been its ability to draw immigrants. People that are willing to leave their families, cultures, etc behind are generally a cut above the average and it shows. The US is being, in a word, stupid and we are already paying the price for it and will for generations to come.

drstewart 5mo ago
>So with how ugly the US is being right now, what is holding back the remote worker from turning truly remote, at least in tech? Because money and taxes, both of which are unchanged due to this policy And boy wait til you find out how other countries treat immigration and visas. You'll be shocked to learn they're also super racist and don't give everyone citizenship at birth just because of being there! They are, in your words, very stupid countries
- Calavar 5mo ago
  If you're looking for international precedent, this is an old vs. new world issue. Birthright citizenship is rare in the old world, but it is the default for the Americas. Canada, most of Latin America, and a decent part of the Caribbean have birthright citizenship.
  - yoble 5mo ago
    I thought France had it. It turns out France, Italy, Netherlands, UK, and Belgium have a conditional deferred version: you can become a citizen at 18 if you're born and have been living there (plus a few caveats).
  - drstewart 5mo ago
    Agree, all the old world countries are stupid and all the talent is fleeing from France and the UK to countries like Uruguay and Bolivia
    - itsmek 5mo ago
      If you want to be genuine about investigating this issue you would obviously compare countries of equal wealth and economic power, but we all know that's not your goal. Could actually be a very interesting comparison if your reasoning weren't so motivated.
      - drstewart 5mo ago
        Okay, do China. What's their policy on dual citizenship and accepting refugee seekers from Afghanistan?
    - Calavar 5mo ago
      Your sarcasm is misplaced because yes, this has unironically been true for large chunks of Latin American history. - Argentinians in particular are over 60% of Italian descent. - The richest man in Mexico was born to Lebanese immigrants. - The chief military leader of the Chilean war of independence was born to an Irish immigrant. - Peru had a president who was born to Japanese immigrants. These countries have all, at various times, had an influx of overseas immigrants whose birthright citizen children rose to high stations in society.
protortyp 5mo ago
> I personally can't understand anyone wanting to move to the US anymore except for extreme reasons. I am German and honestly can't wait to move to the US once I get a suitable H-1B offer. I already spent 8 months in Boston for a research stay, and back then the doomer mentality among natives was wild to me. From an outsider's perspective it’s crazy to watch. Life, and especially the ceiling for what you can achieve, is still 10x higher in the US than anywhere else. I think people in the US severely underestimate how stagnant it feels in Europe and other continents right now. We are basically just stumbling from one crisis to the next, without any strong leadership (the US two-party system definitely has its advantages here, as you're able to charge fullspeed into one direction instead of not moving at all). If you actually want to build ambitious things, the friction here is exhausting. And instead of being rewarded for high output you get taxed to death to prop up a system favored towards an aging/declining population. It's essentially a massive boomer tax. Younger workers have zero political leverage to change it because our demographic is just too small to matter at the ballot box. Sure, the US definitely has its ugly sides, but if you want to work hard and actually capture the upside of what you build, it's still the only game in town. Even if that means jumping through all the hoops the current gov throws in your way. I hope I can call myself an American one day.
- gmerc 5mo ago
  Some people see fascism as a ply. It’s a thing
  - Synthetic7346 5mo ago
    It does sound appealing to a small group, if you're part of that group then you'd be all in. For the rest of us, not so much.
- triceratops 5mo ago
  > if you want to work hard and actually capture the upside of what you build But not if you want to build solar or wind energy. Then you get rekt, no matter what the law says.
- stdatomic 5mo ago
throw-the-towel 5mo ago
> So with how ugly the US is being right now, what is holding back the remote worker from turning truly remote, at least in tech? I think you haven't applied to remote jobs. Almost all of them only hire within $country.

drstewart 5mo ago

>So with how ugly the US is being right now, what is holding back the remote worker from turning truly remote, at least in tech? Because money and taxes, both of which are unchanged due to this policy And boy wait til you find out how other countries treat immigration and visas. You'll be shocked to learn they're also super racist and don't give everyone citizenship at birth just because of being there! They are, in your words, very stupid countries

Calavar 5mo ago
If you're looking for international precedent, this is an old vs. new world issue. Birthright citizenship is rare in the old world, but it is the default for the Americas. Canada, most of Latin America, and a decent part of the Caribbean have birthright citizenship.
- yoble 5mo ago
  I thought France had it. It turns out France, Italy, Netherlands, UK, and Belgium have a conditional deferred version: you can become a citizen at 18 if you're born and have been living there (plus a few caveats).
- drstewart 5mo ago
  Agree, all the old world countries are stupid and all the talent is fleeing from France and the UK to countries like Uruguay and Bolivia
  - itsmek 5mo ago
    If you want to be genuine about investigating this issue you would obviously compare countries of equal wealth and economic power, but we all know that's not your goal. Could actually be a very interesting comparison if your reasoning weren't so motivated.
    - drstewart 5mo ago
      Okay, do China. What's their policy on dual citizenship and accepting refugee seekers from Afghanistan?
  - Calavar 5mo ago
    Your sarcasm is misplaced because yes, this has unironically been true for large chunks of Latin American history. - Argentinians in particular are over 60% of Italian descent. - The richest man in Mexico was born to Lebanese immigrants. - The chief military leader of the Chilean war of independence was born to an Irish immigrant. - Peru had a president who was born to Japanese immigrants. These countries have all, at various times, had an influx of overseas immigrants whose birthright citizen children rose to high stations in society.

protortyp 5mo ago

> I personally can't understand anyone wanting to move to the US anymore except for extreme reasons. I am German and honestly can't wait to move to the US once I get a suitable H-1B offer. I already spent 8 months in Boston for a research stay, and back then the doomer mentality among natives was wild to me. From an outsider's perspective it’s crazy to watch. Life, and especially the ceiling for what you can achieve, is still 10x higher in the US than anywhere else. I think people in the US severely underestimate how stagnant it feels in Europe and other continents right now. We are basically just stumbling from one crisis to the next, without any strong leadership (the US two-party system definitely has its advantages here, as you're able to charge fullspeed into one direction instead of not moving at all). If you actually want to build ambitious things, the friction here is exhausting. And instead of being rewarded for high output you get taxed to death to prop up a system favored towards an aging/declining population. It's essentially a massive boomer tax. Younger workers have zero political leverage to change it because our demographic is just too small to matter at the ballot box. Sure, the US definitely has its ugly sides, but if you want to work hard and actually capture the upside of what you build, it's still the only game in town. Even if that means jumping through all the hoops the current gov throws in your way. I hope I can call myself an American one day.

gmerc 5mo ago
Some people see fascism as a ply. It’s a thing
- Synthetic7346 5mo ago
  It does sound appealing to a small group, if you're part of that group then you'd be all in. For the rest of us, not so much.
triceratops 5mo ago
> if you want to work hard and actually capture the upside of what you build But not if you want to build solar or wind energy. Then you get rekt, no matter what the law says.
stdatomic 5mo ago

throw-the-towel 5mo ago

> So with how ugly the US is being right now, what is holding back the remote worker from turning truly remote, at least in tech? I think you haven't applied to remote jobs. Almost all of them only hire within $country.