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The reason people complain is because the old kindles used to have buttons, and honestly the touch screen is really fucking janky if you're used to the page tur

by kuschku 5mo ago

The reason people complain is because the old kindles used to have buttons, and honestly the touch screen is really fucking janky if you're used to the page turning buttons of the kindle 4, or the onscreen keyboard is janky if you're used to the kindle 3g. And the sad part is that there's no best of both. You can't get a kindle paperwhite with buttons.

paulcole 5mo ago
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- kuschku 5mo ago
  Why 15 years? Why should I ever have to accept things getting worse? Isn't the point of progress that things get better? There's multiple touch zones (which aren't visible or marked), there's multiple gestures you can interact with, and it's so slow and janky enough that you never know what will happen when you touch it. Will it go forwards? Or backwards? By one page? Or a dozen? Will it open the settings? Or change the brightness? Or just close the book? You never know. I want to lose myself in the book, I want to forget the device even exists, not fight the device for half a minute whenever it decides to go forward by 11 pages, open the settings, change the font and brightness just because I wanted to go one page back
  - umbra07 5mo ago
    I've never had this issue. And I use Koreader - which has much larger touch zones than the normal Kindle software. Are you normally reading in a moving vehicle or something?
    - thrownthatway 5mo ago
      Reading in a moving vehicle? Is this something people aren’t supposed to do?
      - fragmede 5mo ago
        Depends on each individual's propensity for motion sickness when doing so. If you don't get it, read on!
        thrownthatway 5mo ago
        So being prone to motion sickness can be a contributing factor to touchscreen misbehaviour? Is this what you’re saying?
    - kuschku 5mo ago
      > Are you normally reading in a moving vehicle or something? Indeed I am! My primary use case for the kindle is to use it on the train. > which has much larger touch zones than the normal Kindle software. That may actually be the reason why. The regular software is extremely sensitive to gestures and has small touch zones, so it's easy to miss the zone, or trigger a gesture, instead of clicking what you want to click. I also frequently have to go back a page or two and re-read a section or two, so if I read physical books I always have my fingers placed so I can go back a page or two easily, and on the kindle that works a lot less reliably (especially due to the ~500ms latency on the paperwhite). Wheras on the Kindle 4 with the forward/back buttons on both sides it was really convenient to actually go back and forth (and instant, as flipping a page back or forth on the kindle 4 never triggered a full display refresh)
  - paulcole 5mo ago
    Kindles are much cheaper today than they were 15 years ago (adjusted for inflation). Seems like progress!
    - kuschku 5mo ago
      I've gone back to physical books. Even if that means carrying huge hardcover textbooks that weigh more than a pound, the reading experience is much nicer than a Kindle if I can flip between e.g. an explanation and the corresponding figure easily back and forth. Which I can't with a touchscreen kindle with a "back" zone that's 5mm wide and easy to miss. And even then the back zone only works if I keep the finger perfectly still, as even the slightest movement is interpreted as a "forwards" gesture. And no, it's not cheaper. They were 40€/80€ back then, which would be 54€ and 108€ respectively, and now the equivalent model costs 109€.
      - PaulDavisThe1st 5mo ago
        Kindles for extended backpacking trips, though ... a godsend. Unless you're one of the younger crowd that is somehow OK reading books on a phone (though that uses way more power).
- phil21 5mo ago
  No amount of "getting used to buttonless" can keep a touchscreen from registering water droplets as touch. So until they can figure out how to make touch screen work in those conditions, any device released without page turn buttons is useless to me. It's not a preference thing for me. It's simply a physical requirement for my environment. Yes, I do understand I'm a rather niche use-case and don't really expect them to pander to me. But I will be vocal about it just so they know I exist! There are at least dozens of us! The fact I can continue to buy refurbished Oasis units whenever I leave one in airplane seatback pocket is the only reason I'm still on the Kindle ecosystem. The second I cannot make that work it's off to third party for me and they will lose an infinitesimal portion of their captured audience for future book purchases.
  - zeafoamrun 5mo ago
    There being capacitive touch panels that are designed not to register water as a touch has been a thing for 15+ years.
  - WalterBright 5mo ago
    I left my Kindle in the airplane seatback pocket. I got it back because taped to the back of it was my name, phone #, and email. I was very happy to get it back!
  - paulcole 5mo ago
    Yes, this is exactly what I’m talking about.
- thrownthatway 5mo ago
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  - FarmerPotato 5mo ago
    Though zippers are still welcomed by many folks.
    - thrownthatway 5mo ago
      <knee slap!>
  - tomhow 5mo ago
    > What a stupid thing to say. When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3." Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- PaulDavisThe1st 5mo ago
  You may have noted the number of automobile makers announcing they are switching back to buttons after trying several years of button-free ... I wonder why that might be ...
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paulcole 5mo ago

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kuschku 5mo ago
Why 15 years? Why should I ever have to accept things getting worse? Isn't the point of progress that things get better? There's multiple touch zones (which aren't visible or marked), there's multiple gestures you can interact with, and it's so slow and janky enough that you never know what will happen when you touch it. Will it go forwards? Or backwards? By one page? Or a dozen? Will it open the settings? Or change the brightness? Or just close the book? You never know. I want to lose myself in the book, I want to forget the device even exists, not fight the device for half a minute whenever it decides to go forward by 11 pages, open the settings, change the font and brightness just because I wanted to go one page back
- umbra07 5mo ago
  I've never had this issue. And I use Koreader - which has much larger touch zones than the normal Kindle software. Are you normally reading in a moving vehicle or something?
  - thrownthatway 5mo ago
    Reading in a moving vehicle? Is this something people aren’t supposed to do?
    - fragmede 5mo ago
      Depends on each individual's propensity for motion sickness when doing so. If you don't get it, read on!
      - thrownthatway 5mo ago
        So being prone to motion sickness can be a contributing factor to touchscreen misbehaviour? Is this what you’re saying?
  - kuschku 5mo ago
    > Are you normally reading in a moving vehicle or something? Indeed I am! My primary use case for the kindle is to use it on the train. > which has much larger touch zones than the normal Kindle software. That may actually be the reason why. The regular software is extremely sensitive to gestures and has small touch zones, so it's easy to miss the zone, or trigger a gesture, instead of clicking what you want to click. I also frequently have to go back a page or two and re-read a section or two, so if I read physical books I always have my fingers placed so I can go back a page or two easily, and on the kindle that works a lot less reliably (especially due to the ~500ms latency on the paperwhite). Wheras on the Kindle 4 with the forward/back buttons on both sides it was really convenient to actually go back and forth (and instant, as flipping a page back or forth on the kindle 4 never triggered a full display refresh)
- paulcole 5mo ago
  Kindles are much cheaper today than they were 15 years ago (adjusted for inflation). Seems like progress!
  - kuschku 5mo ago
    I've gone back to physical books. Even if that means carrying huge hardcover textbooks that weigh more than a pound, the reading experience is much nicer than a Kindle if I can flip between e.g. an explanation and the corresponding figure easily back and forth. Which I can't with a touchscreen kindle with a "back" zone that's 5mm wide and easy to miss. And even then the back zone only works if I keep the finger perfectly still, as even the slightest movement is interpreted as a "forwards" gesture. And no, it's not cheaper. They were 40€/80€ back then, which would be 54€ and 108€ respectively, and now the equivalent model costs 109€.
    - PaulDavisThe1st 5mo ago
      Kindles for extended backpacking trips, though ... a godsend. Unless you're one of the younger crowd that is somehow OK reading books on a phone (though that uses way more power).
phil21 5mo ago
No amount of "getting used to buttonless" can keep a touchscreen from registering water droplets as touch. So until they can figure out how to make touch screen work in those conditions, any device released without page turn buttons is useless to me. It's not a preference thing for me. It's simply a physical requirement for my environment. Yes, I do understand I'm a rather niche use-case and don't really expect them to pander to me. But I will be vocal about it just so they know I exist! There are at least dozens of us! The fact I can continue to buy refurbished Oasis units whenever I leave one in airplane seatback pocket is the only reason I'm still on the Kindle ecosystem. The second I cannot make that work it's off to third party for me and they will lose an infinitesimal portion of their captured audience for future book purchases.
- zeafoamrun 5mo ago
  There being capacitive touch panels that are designed not to register water as a touch has been a thing for 15+ years.
- WalterBright 5mo ago
  I left my Kindle in the airplane seatback pocket. I got it back because taped to the back of it was my name, phone #, and email. I was very happy to get it back!
- paulcole 5mo ago
  Yes, this is exactly what I’m talking about.
thrownthatway 5mo ago
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- FarmerPotato 5mo ago
  Though zippers are still welcomed by many folks.
  - thrownthatway 5mo ago
    <knee slap!>
- tomhow 5mo ago
  > What a stupid thing to say. When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3." Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
PaulDavisThe1st 5mo ago
You may have noted the number of automobile makers announcing they are switching back to buttons after trying several years of button-free ... I wonder why that might be ...
deleted 5mo ago
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