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“But people cry about it” doesnt mean the criticisms are legitimate. To be fair, I don’t think the criticisms are illegitimate by your definition, I just think

“But people cry about it” doesnt mean the criticisms are legitimate. To be fair, I don’t think the criticisms are illegitimate by your definition, I just think they’re pointless and from vocal crybabies.

lynndotpy 5mo ago
You are only making complaints about criticisms (which you acknowledge as legitimate). If complaints from consumers about consumer devices are pointless and the consumers are "vocal crybabies", then how would you categorize yourself and your complaints about their complaints?
- paulcole 5mo ago
  I’m no better than anyone. I was using the other persons definition where it seems there is no illegitimate criticism. I honestly think anybody crying that there aren’t buttons on a kindle needs to come to terms with reality and move on with their life.
  - lynndotpy 5mo ago
    "Crying" is needlessly dismissive and it doesn't strengthen your position. I'm happy there is a mass of popular sentiment that consumer devices are better with buttons. I think they're to whom we can credit the return (or addition of new) buttons to cars, to phones, and to all manner of appliances (induction stoves, thermostats, ACs.) In either case, it looks like the last Kindle with buttons disappeared only late 2024, a year and a half ago. This was a recent enough phenomena that these complaints make sense. Amazon still has a chance to get with the times and release an eReader with buttons.
    - paulcole 5mo ago
      > I'm happy there is a mass of popular sentiment that consumer devices are better with buttons There is not. It’s the same 11 people who have a hobby of posting online about how much they miss buttons.
      - lynndotpy 5mo ago
        This is more needlessly dismissive rhetoric. You don't really believe it's eleven people. This sentiment is widespread enough to be a common point of comedy and conflict, and it's widespread enough problem that consumer intelligence companies have been reporting on this for years ( https://www.jdpower.com/sites/default/files/file/2025-09/2025105%20U.S.%20Multimedia%20Quality.pdf https://www.jdpower.com/sites/default/files/file/2025-09/202... , https://www.vibilagare.se/english/physical-buttons-outperform-touchscreens-new-cars-test-finds https://www.vibilagare.se/english/physical-buttons-outperfor... , https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/tesla/model-y/2020/road-test-report https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/tesla/model-y/2020/road... , etc.) If you spend time in the lobby of a kiosk-only fast-food, you are sure to hear someone complain too. I know "touchscreens are the future and those button-lovers are rarities who will die out soon" was a popular thing to believe, but that was back in the 00s. People like b uttons.
      - NetMageSCW 5mo ago
        There’s 12 of us!
      - timc3 5mo ago
        We must be operating in completely different circles, because I can’t remember the last time I came across someone that didn’t prefer buttons in a lot of sensible scenarios.
  - wiseowise 5mo ago
    > I’m no better than anyone. > dismisses user wishes and calls people “vocal crybabies” I’m honestly amazed how someone can lack so much self-awareness.
    - paulcole 5mo ago
      I’m not amazed by it!
wiseowise 5mo ago
You don’t really care about any buttons or Kindles, you just want to complain about “vocal crybabies”, do you?

lynndotpy 5mo ago

You are only making complaints about criticisms (which you acknowledge as legitimate). If complaints from consumers about consumer devices are pointless and the consumers are "vocal crybabies", then how would you categorize yourself and your complaints about their complaints?

paulcole 5mo ago
I’m no better than anyone. I was using the other persons definition where it seems there is no illegitimate criticism. I honestly think anybody crying that there aren’t buttons on a kindle needs to come to terms with reality and move on with their life.
- lynndotpy 5mo ago
  "Crying" is needlessly dismissive and it doesn't strengthen your position. I'm happy there is a mass of popular sentiment that consumer devices are better with buttons. I think they're to whom we can credit the return (or addition of new) buttons to cars, to phones, and to all manner of appliances (induction stoves, thermostats, ACs.) In either case, it looks like the last Kindle with buttons disappeared only late 2024, a year and a half ago. This was a recent enough phenomena that these complaints make sense. Amazon still has a chance to get with the times and release an eReader with buttons.
  - paulcole 5mo ago
    > I'm happy there is a mass of popular sentiment that consumer devices are better with buttons There is not. It’s the same 11 people who have a hobby of posting online about how much they miss buttons.
    - lynndotpy 5mo ago
      This is more needlessly dismissive rhetoric. You don't really believe it's eleven people. This sentiment is widespread enough to be a common point of comedy and conflict, and it's widespread enough problem that consumer intelligence companies have been reporting on this for years ( https://www.jdpower.com/sites/default/files/file/2025-09/2025105%20U.S.%20Multimedia%20Quality.pdf https://www.jdpower.com/sites/default/files/file/2025-09/202... , https://www.vibilagare.se/english/physical-buttons-outperform-touchscreens-new-cars-test-finds https://www.vibilagare.se/english/physical-buttons-outperfor... , https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/tesla/model-y/2020/road-test-report https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/tesla/model-y/2020/road... , etc.) If you spend time in the lobby of a kiosk-only fast-food, you are sure to hear someone complain too. I know "touchscreens are the future and those button-lovers are rarities who will die out soon" was a popular thing to believe, but that was back in the 00s. People like b uttons.
    - NetMageSCW 5mo ago
      There’s 12 of us!
    - timc3 5mo ago
      We must be operating in completely different circles, because I can’t remember the last time I came across someone that didn’t prefer buttons in a lot of sensible scenarios.
- wiseowise 5mo ago
  > I’m no better than anyone. > dismisses user wishes and calls people “vocal crybabies” I’m honestly amazed how someone can lack so much self-awareness.
  - paulcole 5mo ago
    I’m not amazed by it!

wiseowise 5mo ago

You don’t really care about any buttons or Kindles, you just want to complain about “vocal crybabies”, do you?