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+1. It seems like there is just a vocal minority who complain about the missing HW buttons etc. I’m sure Amazon has enough actual customer data to make their p

+1. It seems like there is just a vocal minority who complain about the missing HW buttons etc. I’m sure Amazon has enough actual customer data to make their product decisions based on what moves the most volume.

ryandrake 5mo ago
Just like the 3.5mm headphone jack, which a very vocal bunch of people are still complaining about, 10 years after iPhone got rid of it.
- onetokeoverthe 5mo ago
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- anonymars 5mo ago
  I traded occasionally making my life more difficult, and in return I got what? My old phone was equally waterproof
  - u_fucking_dork 5mo ago
    Keep buying phones with headphone jacks and removable batteries then. They exist. If every social media user that whined about these things acted with their wallet maybe they’d be able to change something.
    - kuschku 5mo ago
      They are — all non-flagships do still have headphone jacks, even the Pixel A lineup kept them for many many years after the mainline Pixel phones dropped them. And the reason most phones keep these is because wireless headphones are in the end luxury. They're not necessary, they're not even significantly better, but they're in the end a class symbol.
      - PaulDavisThe1st 5mo ago
        Earlier this year, the Guardian had a piece about the way in which wired headphones were now the status signifier among a certain cohort ...
        expedition32 5mo ago
        You can buy a Bluetooth headset at Action for 20 euro. I'm sure wireless was a status symbol once but it hasn't been for a very long time...
      - anonymars 5mo ago
        This very much depends on region Also I think the more serious issue is the SD card slot. The missing headphone jack is annoying, but you can work around it with an adapter. Not so for the card slot
        kuschku 5mo ago
        You can work around the SD card just as "easily" as you can work around the card slot, as you can just always keep a usb-c sd card reader plugged into the phone. Obviously, both of them are absolutely silly "solutions" to problems that wouldn't have been necessary in the first place.
        anonymars 5mo ago
        You can keep the adapter attached to the headphones and it's not an insurmountable hassle You certainly can't realistically keep an SD card dongle permanently sticking out of your phone to store your photos/etc.
        kuschku 5mo ago
        It is an insurmountable hassle as none of my other devices — cameras, beltpacks, intercoms, mixing consoles — use or support usb-audio, nor will they ever. It's already enough of a hassle to add/remove the 3.5mm/6.35mm headphone adapter, I don't need to have another adapter I can lose. Aside from that, the whole usb-c stuff is so much more sensitive to dust and dirt, I wouldn't even want to have a usb-c adapter on my headphones. While I currently buy Sony phones, for a while I had a phone without 3.5mm port and ended up just supergluing a splitter cable & headphone adapter to the back of it. But you have to replace it regularly as even with a right-angle usb-c connector the twist and turn is too tight to survive more than a few months.
- Macha 5mo ago
  I recently had to do a flight without my headphones, because they had discharged because the switch had got jostled and activated in my luggage. 10 years on, we're still running into the disadvantages of losing 3.5mm headphones, so of course there's complaints.

ryandrake 5mo ago

Just like the 3.5mm headphone jack, which a very vocal bunch of people are still complaining about, 10 years after iPhone got rid of it.

onetokeoverthe 5mo ago
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anonymars 5mo ago
I traded occasionally making my life more difficult, and in return I got what? My old phone was equally waterproof
- u_fucking_dork 5mo ago
  Keep buying phones with headphone jacks and removable batteries then. They exist. If every social media user that whined about these things acted with their wallet maybe they’d be able to change something.
  - kuschku 5mo ago
    They are — all non-flagships do still have headphone jacks, even the Pixel A lineup kept them for many many years after the mainline Pixel phones dropped them. And the reason most phones keep these is because wireless headphones are in the end luxury. They're not necessary, they're not even significantly better, but they're in the end a class symbol.
    - PaulDavisThe1st 5mo ago
      Earlier this year, the Guardian had a piece about the way in which wired headphones were now the status signifier among a certain cohort ...
      - expedition32 5mo ago
        You can buy a Bluetooth headset at Action for 20 euro. I'm sure wireless was a status symbol once but it hasn't been for a very long time...
    - anonymars 5mo ago
      This very much depends on region Also I think the more serious issue is the SD card slot. The missing headphone jack is annoying, but you can work around it with an adapter. Not so for the card slot
      - kuschku 5mo ago
        You can work around the SD card just as "easily" as you can work around the card slot, as you can just always keep a usb-c sd card reader plugged into the phone. Obviously, both of them are absolutely silly "solutions" to problems that wouldn't have been necessary in the first place.
        anonymars 5mo ago
        You can keep the adapter attached to the headphones and it's not an insurmountable hassle You certainly can't realistically keep an SD card dongle permanently sticking out of your phone to store your photos/etc.
        kuschku 5mo ago
        It is an insurmountable hassle as none of my other devices — cameras, beltpacks, intercoms, mixing consoles — use or support usb-audio, nor will they ever. It's already enough of a hassle to add/remove the 3.5mm/6.35mm headphone adapter, I don't need to have another adapter I can lose. Aside from that, the whole usb-c stuff is so much more sensitive to dust and dirt, I wouldn't even want to have a usb-c adapter on my headphones. While I currently buy Sony phones, for a while I had a phone without 3.5mm port and ended up just supergluing a splitter cable & headphone adapter to the back of it. But you have to replace it regularly as even with a right-angle usb-c connector the twist and turn is too tight to survive more than a few months.
Macha 5mo ago
I recently had to do a flight without my headphones, because they had discharged because the switch had got jostled and activated in my luggage. 10 years on, we're still running into the disadvantages of losing 3.5mm headphones, so of course there's complaints.