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By “American People” you mean native Americans? Because Literally everyone else in the US is an immigrant. Or are you referring to the Spanish that settled the

By “American People” you mean native Americans? Because Literally everyone else in the US is an immigrant. Or are you referring to the Spanish that settled the west? The French in the far south? The Italians and Jews that populated New York? The British and Africans? I’m painting in broad strokes, but to say “the American People” as if it’s somehow distinct from immigrants is just ladder pulling.

bluefirebrand 4mo ago
> Because Literally everyone else in the US is an immigrant I'm not American, but this conversation happens a lot in Canada where I'm from too I was born in Canada, in a Canadian hospital. I've never had any other home than this country. I'm descended from immigrants, but I am not an immigrant. I'm not considered indigenous either, that's a whole other type of person. What a strange thing, to be from a place but have many people say "it's not your place, it's stolen" as if I had a say in that. If I went anywhere else, I would be an immigrant there. Very odd.
- anon84873628 4mo ago
  It sure is odd! This is something that the educated descendants of colonizers just have to grapple with. I imagine it's still less difficult than being born as someone lacking the systemic privileges.
- ViktorRay 4mo ago
  The point is that people who immigrate to USA and Canada will have descendants who will be just like you. Only difference will be their skin color (maybe). Is Kash Patel any different from Americans who have lived here for generations? Is Rishi Sunak any different from the people who lived in Britain from generations?
- array_key_first 4mo ago
  The point is your parents, or their parents, were immigrants. But those very same people we are now trying to restrict from coming here. Meaning, if we time travel and apply these restrictions, you yourself would have never been a citizen. In fact, you probably wouldn't even exist. Do you see the problem? That, my friend, is ladder pulling. When you destroy the very conditions that allow you to thrive.
  - burnerRhodov3 4mo ago
    The entire world has been settled and resettled. You can't let past conquests stop you from having a country, laws and borders or all countrys would be illegitimate. >The point is your parents, or their parents, were immigrants. Or my parents, parents, parents, parents, parents, parents were... And if they came here for a better life, obviously there was some mind virus that was going on in their home country that forced them to leave in search of a better life. Don't try and bring that mind virus here if you had to immigrate here to escape it.
    - array_key_first 4mo ago
      The US in particular has always been made up of immigrants. I don't know how it works for canada. But for the US, that's always been the case. We're a country by immigrants, for immigrants. An American identity is not one of skin color or race. To suggest otherwise is not just a ahistorical, it's anti-American. There is no mind virus. People wish to rewrite history to fuel their own delusions. They don't require enforcement around immigration, they require medication and perhaps a history lesson or two.
      - burnerRhodov3 4mo ago
        Measured as a percentage of population, we have more immigration now than we did in the 1890's peak. Given our drastically larger population, this is a problem. Suicidal empathy mixed with this 'idea that america is illegitimate' cause we are a 'nation of immigrants', and we 'took land from the natives' is quite frankly retarded. And i can use the word retarded because i mean it in the literal since, "a verb meaning to slow down, delay, or impede a process."
        defrost 4mo ago
        Measured as a percentage of population, this graph: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/immigrant-population-over-time https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/imm... shows the USofA having much the same level of immigration as it had from 1860 through until 1920.
gorwell 4mo ago
You don't know the meaning of the word you're using. Immigrant (noun) A person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence.
throwaway85825 4mo ago
'America' is named after Amerigo Vespucci. America is a European nation.

bluefirebrand 4mo ago

> Because Literally everyone else in the US is an immigrant I'm not American, but this conversation happens a lot in Canada where I'm from too I was born in Canada, in a Canadian hospital. I've never had any other home than this country. I'm descended from immigrants, but I am not an immigrant. I'm not considered indigenous either, that's a whole other type of person. What a strange thing, to be from a place but have many people say "it's not your place, it's stolen" as if I had a say in that. If I went anywhere else, I would be an immigrant there. Very odd.

anon84873628 4mo ago
It sure is odd! This is something that the educated descendants of colonizers just have to grapple with. I imagine it's still less difficult than being born as someone lacking the systemic privileges.
ViktorRay 4mo ago
The point is that people who immigrate to USA and Canada will have descendants who will be just like you. Only difference will be their skin color (maybe). Is Kash Patel any different from Americans who have lived here for generations? Is Rishi Sunak any different from the people who lived in Britain from generations?
array_key_first 4mo ago
The point is your parents, or their parents, were immigrants. But those very same people we are now trying to restrict from coming here. Meaning, if we time travel and apply these restrictions, you yourself would have never been a citizen. In fact, you probably wouldn't even exist. Do you see the problem? That, my friend, is ladder pulling. When you destroy the very conditions that allow you to thrive.
- burnerRhodov3 4mo ago
  The entire world has been settled and resettled. You can't let past conquests stop you from having a country, laws and borders or all countrys would be illegitimate. >The point is your parents, or their parents, were immigrants. Or my parents, parents, parents, parents, parents, parents were... And if they came here for a better life, obviously there was some mind virus that was going on in their home country that forced them to leave in search of a better life. Don't try and bring that mind virus here if you had to immigrate here to escape it.
  - array_key_first 4mo ago
    The US in particular has always been made up of immigrants. I don't know how it works for canada. But for the US, that's always been the case. We're a country by immigrants, for immigrants. An American identity is not one of skin color or race. To suggest otherwise is not just a ahistorical, it's anti-American. There is no mind virus. People wish to rewrite history to fuel their own delusions. They don't require enforcement around immigration, they require medication and perhaps a history lesson or two.
    - burnerRhodov3 4mo ago
      Measured as a percentage of population, we have more immigration now than we did in the 1890's peak. Given our drastically larger population, this is a problem. Suicidal empathy mixed with this 'idea that america is illegitimate' cause we are a 'nation of immigrants', and we 'took land from the natives' is quite frankly retarded. And i can use the word retarded because i mean it in the literal since, "a verb meaning to slow down, delay, or impede a process."
      - defrost 4mo ago
        Measured as a percentage of population, this graph: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/immigrant-population-over-time https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/imm... shows the USofA having much the same level of immigration as it had from 1860 through until 1920.

gorwell 4mo ago

You don't know the meaning of the word you're using. Immigrant (noun) A person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence.

throwaway85825 4mo ago

'America' is named after Amerigo Vespucci. America is a European nation.