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Isn't exactly their complaint? It's called an array, referred to consistently everywhere as an array, but it just ... isn't.

postalrat 5mo ago
Better than calling it a hash.
- pavel_lishin 5mo ago
  I don't think it is, tbh. Perl's hashes are a complete mystery to me still, but at least it lets me know that it's not just a linear, uh, well, array.
  - duskwuff 5mo ago
    > Perl's hashes are a complete mystery to me still They're unordered mappings from strings to arbitrary values ("scalars" in Perl jargon). In this sense they're just like an object in JavaScript. Where this gets a little weird is that Perl arrays and hashes are fundamental types distinct from scalars - you can't put a hash into a $variable without taking a reference to it first, for instance. But that's more a matter of Perl being picker about the value/reference distinction than a hash-specific thing.
- johannes1234321 5mo ago
  PHP arrays are vectors, hash maps and doubly linked lists in one
  - postalrat 5mo ago
    My issue is a ton of people call all maps a hash regardless how it's implemented.
    - johannes1234321 5mo ago
      With good abstraction the implementation can be swapped without many noticing. However PHP leaks different aspects hear and there, making this harder ...
yegle 5mo ago
Apparently array is short for associated array:-)
- deleted 5mo ago
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- hparadiz 5mo ago
  In PHP the array index supports different key types and there's various optimizations that need to happen when the indexes are all numeric, mixed, or all strings or anything else. Technically it's called associative as soon as even one of the indexes isn't numeric. Internally though they are always numeric and anything non integer is hashed internally with DJB2 (Daniel J. Bernstein) hash algorithm and then stored. Using a non numeric index is slightly slower for that reason.
  - thayne 5mo ago
    But even if you only have numeric keys, those keys don't need to be consecutive, or start at 0.

postalrat 5mo ago

Better than calling it a hash.

pavel_lishin 5mo ago
I don't think it is, tbh. Perl's hashes are a complete mystery to me still, but at least it lets me know that it's not just a linear, uh, well, array.
- duskwuff 5mo ago
  > Perl's hashes are a complete mystery to me still They're unordered mappings from strings to arbitrary values ("scalars" in Perl jargon). In this sense they're just like an object in JavaScript. Where this gets a little weird is that Perl arrays and hashes are fundamental types distinct from scalars - you can't put a hash into a $variable without taking a reference to it first, for instance. But that's more a matter of Perl being picker about the value/reference distinction than a hash-specific thing.
johannes1234321 5mo ago
PHP arrays are vectors, hash maps and doubly linked lists in one
- postalrat 5mo ago
  My issue is a ton of people call all maps a hash regardless how it's implemented.
  - johannes1234321 5mo ago
    With good abstraction the implementation can be swapped without many noticing. However PHP leaks different aspects hear and there, making this harder ...

yegle 5mo ago

Apparently array is short for associated array:-)

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hparadiz 5mo ago
In PHP the array index supports different key types and there's various optimizations that need to happen when the indexes are all numeric, mixed, or all strings or anything else. Technically it's called associative as soon as even one of the indexes isn't numeric. Internally though they are always numeric and anything non integer is hashed internally with DJB2 (Daniel J. Bernstein) hash algorithm and then stored. Using a non numeric index is slightly slower for that reason.
- thayne 5mo ago
  But even if you only have numeric keys, those keys don't need to be consecutive, or start at 0.