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I don't understand why US weapons manufactures are not lobbying harder. They are losing the European market just as the largest rearmament since ww2 happens. M
by tokai 5mo ago
I don't understand why US weapons manufactures are not lobbying harder. They are losing the European market just as the largest rearmament since ww2 happens.
Maybe they are and its just a lost cause with the US administration.
- SecretDreams 5mo agoThey're very scared of their boss and the CEOs are short sighted by virtue of their compensation packages.
- helsinkiandrew 5mo ago> I don't understand why US weapons manufactures are not lobbying harder It doesn’t really matter if your product is better or cheaper, if the customer thinks that service and spare parts might possibly be withdrawn in the future for political (or whatever) reasons they won’t buy your product.
- tokai 5mo agoThat is what they need the political lobbying for. Obviously not to help their pricing.
- shimman 5mo agoSo they need lobbying to lie to customers? Why would that help people choose Boeing when it ultimately is up the whims of one single individual that can drastically change moods every four years? There is a reason why imperialism ultimately always fails.
- tokai 5mo agoNo. You do understand how lobbying works right? You don't lobby your customers, you lobby that single individual. Which has never been easier as the current one takes bribes almost directly and has no true opinions.
- hgoel 5mo agoIf you mean they need to lobby the US government to be less schizophrenic, I agree. Though I suspect the government would just decide to start more wars. If you mean they need to lobby the other governments, I don't think that'll work, the decreasing trust is associated with the US government's actions, not as related to the arms dealers' actions.
- thuridas 5mo agoCan you lobby to make Trump become not Trump?
- vkou 5mo agoYou can lobby congress to put him in a 6x6 cell. For any reason whatsoever, including no reason whatsoever. Their trials are ultimately a yes/no vote, the facts don't matter. They are just as complicit in failing to exercise their power.
- Spooky23 5mo agoYes. He’s a simple creature. Just pay the man and/or his kids off. Remember the funny video comparing Oracle and Larry Ellison to a lawn mower? He is the same.
- dboreham 5mo agoThere are other rich people lobbying harder to protect other businesses not impacted by the ally double-crossing.
- spamizbad 5mo agoYou can’t lobby the Trump or “America First” crowd to not be themselves.
- newtonianrules 5mo agoYou have to understand that the smartest people in the US didn’t vote for this administration and are just as horrified as everyone else with how inept and pathetic this administration is. Unfortunately we’re a minority, the senate’s design (Wyoming has the same number of senators as California even though a small city in CA may have more people than the whole state) and the US is so ridiculously gerrymandered. Sorry everybody but we just have to wait this stupidity out.
- stouset 5mo agoThis stupidity is not going to simply be waited out. It is becoming even further entrenched.
- ericmay 5mo agoThere are a lot of issues in the American political system but the structure of the Senate is not one of those. It was explicitly created as a way to balance sovereignty of the states against populism, such as that enacted by MAGA or leftists. If you are a small state like Vermont, you don’t want to just have California, New York, and Texas dictating all rules and laws for the country by sheer weight of their population sizes. That is expressed in the House, but the Senate serves to balance that and ensure that populists don’t run roughshod over the country. Without such a structure states with less population would either band together and create their own super states - and you can see where this leads, or they wouldn’t have agreed to join the US in the first place.
- boustrophedon 5mo agoYes, if anything the issue is that the House was capped in seats in 1929 and the population has tripled. Smaller states have an outsized representation in Congress currently.
- ericmay 5mo agoI'm strongly in favor of expanding the House. I failed to mention that in my original post.
- 8note 5mo agoitll be hard for US weapons manufacturers to win when a big part of the rearmament is going to be around deterring the US just as much as deterring Russia
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- jandrewrogers 5mo agoA major issue is that the US manufacturers cannot keep up with demand even as they scale up production capacity. The current order backlog of approved foreign military sales of US weapons systems is approaching $1T and growing faster than they can fill the orders. This is creating secondary fallout as the orders from various countries get re-prioritized. It is not strictly first-come, first-served order fulfillment; you can find your order pushed back in the queue for reasons.
- expedition32 5mo agoThis is why nations need to have their own industrial capacity. Because when shit hits the fan everyone needs guns- and they have a limited time frame until war breaks out.
- Spooky23 5mo agoDon’t think of them as companies in the normal sense. There’s no meaningful competition anymore and they have rolled everything up. They are essentially national industries now.
- vrganj 5mo agoThe rearmament is mostly happening because the US has shown itself a bad unreliable partner that abuses interdependence. No lobbying can change the risk assessment where America is the risk factor.