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This is also why car dependent infrastructure is a bad thing for Americans’ freedom. You have more civil rights as a pedestrian than you do in a licensed motor

by dangus 5mo ago

This is also why car dependent infrastructure is a bad thing for Americans’ freedom. You have more civil rights as a pedestrian than you do in a licensed motor vehicle.

ww520 5mo ago
Facial and gait recognition tech make the pedestrian vs car point moot.
- dangus 5mo ago
  Sure, but being identified is only part of the issue. It’s also about the quantity of rights you have in a vehicle versus outside of one.
  - cucumber3732842 5mo ago
    >It’s also about the quantity of rights you have in a vehicle versus outside of one. And who's fault is that? The government could decide tomorrow that driving confers implied consent for them to quarter soldiers in your home and a huge chunk of people would defend it because those people just don't like cars and want to see the users screwed at every turn in order to make other things comparatively less worse. Of course they won't tell you that because they know they're in the wrong so they'll use the pretext that driving is a privilege not a right, public safety etc. etc. Look at the discussion about ebikes. At first iw as all "look how cool and great and free of downsides these are". Now the discussion is all "those darned kids and poors are dangerous" and "nobody needs to go more than 20mph". Give it 10yr and you'll be forced to by insurance for them too. Vehicles are regulated how they are and you have less rights to the extent you do specifically because people 50-70yr ago wrung their hands about them until laws were passed, just like we're doing to ebikes now.
engineer_22 5mo ago
Pedestrians are limited to a ~20 mile radius. Travelling further, without a car, then requires use of public transportation and by using public transportation depending where you are you have implied consent to being searched "for safety". Acknowledging civil asset forfeiture is a problem in some jurisdictions, private automobiles still provide a greater expectation of privacy than public modes of transport.
- vrganj 5mo ago
  (E)-Bikes.
  - dgellow 5mo ago
    Depends on the state, no? I see that you have to register in some states: https://www.velotricbike.com/blogs/story-landing/electric-bike-laws-by-state https://www.velotricbike.com/blogs/story-landing/electric-bi... And I would assume you get a small license plate? Similar to e-scooters
  - engineer_22 4mo ago
    e-bike is invisible to camera?
- dangus 5mo ago
  First I would question why anyone has to drive 20 miles to reach basic needs like grocery stores and employers. Isn’t that already a failure of urban and suburban planning? Existing on public transit is not an automatic agreement to be searched as you describe. Here’s an attorney website that describes your general rights: https://azharillc.com/blog/youre-riding-the-l-train-can-cops-just-search-you-for-drugs/ https://azharillc.com/blog/youre-riding-the-l-train-can-cops... There are many more things that are illegal for you to be doing as a driver of a car versus existing in public on public transportation. Many of these things can trigger searching your possessions being legal compared to being a person on public transit. You’re also required to present your drivers license and fully identify yourself if you are stopped for minor traffic infractions like a tail light being out. As a pedestrian, in most states you do not have to present ID to an officer on the street. For example, it’s generally not probable cause to search on public transit if an officer smells alcohol, while in a vehicle it’s basically an automatic search of your whole car. You would also have the issue of what a court or jury thinks of the reasonableness of the search based on the context. If you’re quietly minding your own business on the train and you smell like alcohol is a judge or jury going to think the search was reasonable? Now compare that to a driver in a vehicle smelling like alcohol. Furthermore, the whole concept of a DUI checkpoint where every person is stopped and questioned is at the very least impractical and often illegal for pedestrians. Thank you for your service as the incorrect carbrain of the day.
dgellow 5mo ago
Facial recognition has been used in train stations, unfortunately

by dangus 5mo ago

This is also why car dependent infrastructure is a bad thing for Americans’ freedom. You have more civil rights as a pedestrian than you do in a licensed motor vehicle.

ww520 5mo ago

Facial and gait recognition tech make the pedestrian vs car point moot.

dangus 5mo ago
Sure, but being identified is only part of the issue. It’s also about the quantity of rights you have in a vehicle versus outside of one.
- cucumber3732842 5mo ago
  >It’s also about the quantity of rights you have in a vehicle versus outside of one. And who's fault is that? The government could decide tomorrow that driving confers implied consent for them to quarter soldiers in your home and a huge chunk of people would defend it because those people just don't like cars and want to see the users screwed at every turn in order to make other things comparatively less worse. Of course they won't tell you that because they know they're in the wrong so they'll use the pretext that driving is a privilege not a right, public safety etc. etc. Look at the discussion about ebikes. At first iw as all "look how cool and great and free of downsides these are". Now the discussion is all "those darned kids and poors are dangerous" and "nobody needs to go more than 20mph". Give it 10yr and you'll be forced to by insurance for them too. Vehicles are regulated how they are and you have less rights to the extent you do specifically because people 50-70yr ago wrung their hands about them until laws were passed, just like we're doing to ebikes now.

engineer_22 5mo ago

Pedestrians are limited to a ~20 mile radius. Travelling further, without a car, then requires use of public transportation and by using public transportation depending where you are you have implied consent to being searched "for safety". Acknowledging civil asset forfeiture is a problem in some jurisdictions, private automobiles still provide a greater expectation of privacy than public modes of transport.

vrganj 5mo ago
(E)-Bikes.
- dgellow 5mo ago
  Depends on the state, no? I see that you have to register in some states: https://www.velotricbike.com/blogs/story-landing/electric-bike-laws-by-state https://www.velotricbike.com/blogs/story-landing/electric-bi... And I would assume you get a small license plate? Similar to e-scooters
- engineer_22 4mo ago
  e-bike is invisible to camera?
dangus 5mo ago
First I would question why anyone has to drive 20 miles to reach basic needs like grocery stores and employers. Isn’t that already a failure of urban and suburban planning? Existing on public transit is not an automatic agreement to be searched as you describe. Here’s an attorney website that describes your general rights: https://azharillc.com/blog/youre-riding-the-l-train-can-cops-just-search-you-for-drugs/ https://azharillc.com/blog/youre-riding-the-l-train-can-cops... There are many more things that are illegal for you to be doing as a driver of a car versus existing in public on public transportation. Many of these things can trigger searching your possessions being legal compared to being a person on public transit. You’re also required to present your drivers license and fully identify yourself if you are stopped for minor traffic infractions like a tail light being out. As a pedestrian, in most states you do not have to present ID to an officer on the street. For example, it’s generally not probable cause to search on public transit if an officer smells alcohol, while in a vehicle it’s basically an automatic search of your whole car. You would also have the issue of what a court or jury thinks of the reasonableness of the search based on the context. If you’re quietly minding your own business on the train and you smell like alcohol is a judge or jury going to think the search was reasonable? Now compare that to a driver in a vehicle smelling like alcohol. Furthermore, the whole concept of a DUI checkpoint where every person is stopped and questioned is at the very least impractical and often illegal for pedestrians. Thank you for your service as the incorrect carbrain of the day.

dgellow 5mo ago

Facial recognition has been used in train stations, unfortunately