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Isn't the correct response to the sham hirings to regulate that jobs are posted on a gov-run board for some period of time, ~30 days, before you can claim no qu

Isn't the correct response to the sham hirings to regulate that jobs are posted on a gov-run board for some period of time, ~30 days, before you can claim no qualified workers? That seems more reasonable than turning the spigot off entirely.

cmiles8 4mo ago
Perhaps. But given the volume of abuse that appears to be out there the tactic is more turn it all off then selectively back on where appropriate. Thats obviously extreme but given the abuse in the status quo it’s hard to defend what was going on and whine about this now. Some folks are obviously angry, but that anger is better directed at those that were abusing the system not those trying to fix it.
- bsimpson 4mo ago
  It sounds like you're trying to defend going nuclear on green cards by arguing about a quirk of the H1B. The H1B system was stupid. That doesn't justify any of what the Trump admin has been doing.
  - dilyevsky 4mo ago
    PERM doesn’t just apply to h1b, having to prove no qualified hires was never required for h1b, it’s green card requirement which also applies to o1 and bunch of others. PERM is the thing that is stupid - they should automatically grant you GC if youve been legally employed for 5 years or something and dont have any criminal records
sokoloff 4mo ago
Only if that job board was an actually useful and common source for genuine hiring. If it becomes “these companies are checking a box, don’t bother applying” or “these companies are considering an H1-B application, flood them with resumes”, neither of those is helpful to qualified workers who actually want to find a job.
- hellojesus 4mo ago
  Agreed. I don't really know how the current process works, but I would assume there is some level of oversight, meaning that errant (unqualified) applicants shouldn't detract from a qualified h1b under the current system any more than a centralized one. Tying a profile to a human (gov can do this) should at least help with determining whether an applicant is qualified (not that they are an actual fit for the team) which could provide some proxy for fitness of the current pool.
  - bluecheese452 4mo ago
    I mean the entire point is that there isn’t oversight, the system is being gamed. And as a practical matter oversight is virtually impossible. The immigration system is in no position to evaluate whether a candidate is qualified or not. The job board is inevitably going to devolve into one of those scenarios.
ianhawes 4mo ago
You've just described what already has to occur for PERM, you have to post on the respective State Workforce Agency website.

cmiles8 4mo ago

Perhaps. But given the volume of abuse that appears to be out there the tactic is more turn it all off then selectively back on where appropriate. Thats obviously extreme but given the abuse in the status quo it’s hard to defend what was going on and whine about this now. Some folks are obviously angry, but that anger is better directed at those that were abusing the system not those trying to fix it.

bsimpson 4mo ago
It sounds like you're trying to defend going nuclear on green cards by arguing about a quirk of the H1B. The H1B system was stupid. That doesn't justify any of what the Trump admin has been doing.
- dilyevsky 4mo ago
  PERM doesn’t just apply to h1b, having to prove no qualified hires was never required for h1b, it’s green card requirement which also applies to o1 and bunch of others. PERM is the thing that is stupid - they should automatically grant you GC if youve been legally employed for 5 years or something and dont have any criminal records

sokoloff 4mo ago

Only if that job board was an actually useful and common source for genuine hiring. If it becomes “these companies are checking a box, don’t bother applying” or “these companies are considering an H1-B application, flood them with resumes”, neither of those is helpful to qualified workers who actually want to find a job.

hellojesus 4mo ago
Agreed. I don't really know how the current process works, but I would assume there is some level of oversight, meaning that errant (unqualified) applicants shouldn't detract from a qualified h1b under the current system any more than a centralized one. Tying a profile to a human (gov can do this) should at least help with determining whether an applicant is qualified (not that they are an actual fit for the team) which could provide some proxy for fitness of the current pool.
- bluecheese452 4mo ago
  I mean the entire point is that there isn’t oversight, the system is being gamed. And as a practical matter oversight is virtually impossible. The immigration system is in no position to evaluate whether a candidate is qualified or not. The job board is inevitably going to devolve into one of those scenarios.

ianhawes 4mo ago

You've just described what already has to occur for PERM, you have to post on the respective State Workforce Agency website.