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I'm right there with you, and it's why I go to great pains to articulate the entirety of my position on immigration when I get into these sorts of debates. The
by stego-tech 5mo ago
I'm right there with you, and it's why I go to great pains to articulate the entirety of my position on immigration when I get into these sorts of debates. The simpler someone's position on immigration is, the less they understand it at length or the more extremist their viewpoints tend to be.
- zulux 5mo agoIt's wickedly complicated, isn't it? I'm distressed by anybody who doesn't change their position from time to time.
- slg 5mo agoIt's not that complicated, my immigration policy is "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
- amanaplanacanal 5mo agoMine comes to the same conclusion via a different route. I don't want my government telling me where I can or cannot travel to or decide to live, and I want all other governments to do the same.
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- dang 5mo ago"Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead." a.k.a. please don't feed the trolls https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- slg 5mo agoThat "19th century ethnic activist" was born in the US after her family emigrated here more than a century prior fleeing the Inquisition. Her activism was aiding refugees entering New York as they fled the pogroms of Eastern Europe. My ancestors entered this country in the 19th century though that "golden door" as "poor huddled masses" fleeing those same pogroms. I admire that "ethnic activist" not locking the door behind her just because her ancestors happened to make the journey in a prior generation and therefore I echo that mindset. For me, being anti-immigration would be like spitting on all their graves. This country was built on the backs of immigrants and slaves which instills in me the belief that even more central than freedom, there is no ideal more core to the United States as a nation than immigration.
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- happytoexplain 5mo agoThis isn't substantive.
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- happytoexplain 5mo agoIt's not helpful to tell citizens to "know their place" and leave their country and claim that people of a given race are boring and call people who love America "anti-American". On HN of all places.
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- happytoexplain 5mo ago>I hope for your sake that you are never in a situation where you need help though :) This is hideous.
- fooker 5mo agoThank you
- happytoexplain 5mo agoPlease don't bring this style of hateful pettiness to HN.
- fooker 5mo agoSure, if you can stop being sanctimonious.
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- etc-hosts 5mo agoI actually do harbor an immigrant family in my home! But I admit I am an outlier.
- happytoexplain 5mo agoIt's a romantic rhetorical cudgel in this context. And it's actually quite complicated, though easy to say.
- stego-tech 5mo agoI mean, I think that's a noble position to take; I share it, to a significant degree. The problem is when you start getting into the nuance of the modern world, where everywhere has a record of who you are, what you've done, where you've been, etcetera. The existence of that data means the masses will want to judge immigrants by said data before permitting entry, which means bad actors will leverage said data to persecute those they hate. In principle, I am 100% with you. Pragmatically however, it's significantly more complex.
- postflopclarity 5mo agomy position has been steady since the start of my political consciousness (maybe ~12 years?) all laws, including immigration laws, should be enforced consistently and universally, and without bias. and the laws should be changed to make it much simpler and easier to immigrate especially if you are able to already secure employment, housing, and health insurance.
- Aniket-N 5mo agoThreads like these make me realize how wrong people can be. I understand the complexity and can see how misinformed people are. Makes me wonder what happens in other threads where I know little and just take whatever at face value. Eesh.
- happytoexplain 5mo agoYou see the complexity, but still categorize a noteworthy number of people somewhere as (relatively) reasonable as HN as clearly "wrong"?