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“... it seems unlikely he would ship this rewrite if it didn’t meet his quality bar” is every bit as vibes-based as the decision you are critiquing.

johnfn 5mo ago
Jared has shipped a lot of things that have impressed me. His software is measurably faster than the alternatives, and I have measured it. It runs code that Node et al can't run, and I have tried. These are normal, everyday experiences with software - based in fact, not vibes. I'm not going to argue every decision he's ever made is amazing, but his decisions have historically tracked above average.
- dogleash 5mo ago
  So, you're fanboying? If we're gonna fight, lets go xbox vs playstation. Javscript runtimes are a snoozefest.
  - johnfn 5mo ago
    Stating e.g. "Bun is more performant than Node [along a particular benchmark]" is not a fanboy statement. It's a statement of measurable fact.
    - deleted 5mo ago
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- n_e 5mo ago
  > It runs code that Node et al can't run What kind of code can't node run?
  - johnfn 5mo ago
    Bun supports import and require together in the same file https://bun.com/docs/runtime/module-resolution#using-import-and-require-together https://bun.com/docs/runtime/module-resolution#using-import-...
- egorfine 5mo ago
  He plays around with a toy project in a separate branch, tells everybody to relax that's just an experiment that has no chance of being merged, then abruptly merges 1m lines of code not seen by a human, effectively zeroing out all the contributions ever made by anyone to bun, including contributions in progress. At the same time, his arguments in favor of Rust are sound, there is no doubt about that.
  - famouswaffles 5mo ago
    >that's just an experiment that has no chance of being merged Yeah he never said that.
    - redeye100 4mo ago
      Here is him saying that in words that could be interpreted as ‘this is just an experiment’: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48019226 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48019226
      - famouswaffles 4mo ago
        Right he said it was an experiment. Nowhere did he say there was no chance of it being merged. Do people not understand what an experiment is?
        redeye100 4mo ago
        Of course he's not writing a legal contract, but to go from saying: > This whole thread is an overreaction. 302 comments about code that does not work. We haven’t committed to rewriting. There’s a very high chance all this code gets thrown out completely. And then fully merging into main in under 18 days is quite extreme
    - wiseowise 4mo ago
      > This whole thread is an overreaction. 302 comments about code that does not work. We haven’t committed to rewriting. There’s a very high chance all this code gets thrown out completely. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48019226 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48019226

johnfn 5mo ago

Jared has shipped a lot of things that have impressed me. His software is measurably faster than the alternatives, and I have measured it. It runs code that Node et al can't run, and I have tried. These are normal, everyday experiences with software - based in fact, not vibes. I'm not going to argue every decision he's ever made is amazing, but his decisions have historically tracked above average.

dogleash 5mo ago
So, you're fanboying? If we're gonna fight, lets go xbox vs playstation. Javscript runtimes are a snoozefest.
- johnfn 5mo ago
  Stating e.g. "Bun is more performant than Node [along a particular benchmark]" is not a fanboy statement. It's a statement of measurable fact.
  - deleted 5mo ago
    [deleted]
n_e 5mo ago
> It runs code that Node et al can't run What kind of code can't node run?
- johnfn 5mo ago
  Bun supports import and require together in the same file https://bun.com/docs/runtime/module-resolution#using-import-and-require-together https://bun.com/docs/runtime/module-resolution#using-import-...
egorfine 5mo ago
He plays around with a toy project in a separate branch, tells everybody to relax that's just an experiment that has no chance of being merged, then abruptly merges 1m lines of code not seen by a human, effectively zeroing out all the contributions ever made by anyone to bun, including contributions in progress. At the same time, his arguments in favor of Rust are sound, there is no doubt about that.
- famouswaffles 5mo ago
  >that's just an experiment that has no chance of being merged Yeah he never said that.
  - redeye100 4mo ago
    Here is him saying that in words that could be interpreted as ‘this is just an experiment’: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48019226 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48019226
    - famouswaffles 4mo ago
      Right he said it was an experiment. Nowhere did he say there was no chance of it being merged. Do people not understand what an experiment is?
      - redeye100 4mo ago
        Of course he's not writing a legal contract, but to go from saying: > This whole thread is an overreaction. 302 comments about code that does not work. We haven’t committed to rewriting. There’s a very high chance all this code gets thrown out completely. And then fully merging into main in under 18 days is quite extreme
  - wiseowise 4mo ago
    > This whole thread is an overreaction. 302 comments about code that does not work. We haven’t committed to rewriting. There’s a very high chance all this code gets thrown out completely. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48019226 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48019226