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We've built a lot of layers of social machinery on top of it, but looking at the behavior of animals, ownership predates humanity, let alone social convention.

We've built a lot of layers of social machinery on top of it, but looking at the behavior of animals, ownership predates humanity, let alone social convention. Coming at it from that direction, something can be private property only if it is defensible in principle. Physical objects meet this bar, but concepts and types do not.

JumpCrisscross 5mo ago
> something can be private property only if it is defensible in principle. Physical objects meet this bar, but concepts and types do not Why not? I sing song. You sing song. I beat you with stick because that’s my song. You stop singing song.
- __MatrixMan__ 5mo ago
  Well it really comes down to how good you are with that stick. You "can" stop me from singing your song... But can you? You don't even know where I am.
  - JumpCrisscross 5mo ago
    > You "can" stop me from singing your song... But can you? Yes. I kill you. Stealing was usually punishable by death in ancient cultures. > You don't even know where I am This isn’t a thing in early human societies. Like, yes, you could theoretically get away. Lots of thieves of physical property actually get away. That doesn’t make said property indefensible in principle.
    - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 5mo ago
      >> You don't even know where I am > This isn’t a thing in early human societies. Sure it is. I hear you sing your song. I travel. I sing your song to other people while you're not around to hear it. You don't even know where I am. (Of course, there was never any "theft", as it were. I even paid to go to your concert!)
    - TFNA 5mo ago
      The countries that still employ the death penalty highly overlap with countries that disrespect intellectual property, to the point of bootleg media being openly sold in the market, a thriving local torrent scene, etc. Appealing to ancient blood codes doesn’t bolster your case as much as you think.
  - pocksuppet 5mo ago
    And this is the premise on which Anna's Archive operates. The operator isn't even called Anna, just in case that wasn't already obvious to literally everyone.

JumpCrisscross 5mo ago

> something can be private property only if it is defensible in principle. Physical objects meet this bar, but concepts and types do not Why not? I sing song. You sing song. I beat you with stick because that’s my song. You stop singing song.

__MatrixMan__ 5mo ago
Well it really comes down to how good you are with that stick. You "can" stop me from singing your song... But can you? You don't even know where I am.
- JumpCrisscross 5mo ago
  > You "can" stop me from singing your song... But can you? Yes. I kill you. Stealing was usually punishable by death in ancient cultures. > You don't even know where I am This isn’t a thing in early human societies. Like, yes, you could theoretically get away. Lots of thieves of physical property actually get away. That doesn’t make said property indefensible in principle.
  - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 5mo ago
    >> You don't even know where I am > This isn’t a thing in early human societies. Sure it is. I hear you sing your song. I travel. I sing your song to other people while you're not around to hear it. You don't even know where I am. (Of course, there was never any "theft", as it were. I even paid to go to your concert!)
  - TFNA 5mo ago
    The countries that still employ the death penalty highly overlap with countries that disrespect intellectual property, to the point of bootleg media being openly sold in the market, a thriving local torrent scene, etc. Appealing to ancient blood codes doesn’t bolster your case as much as you think.
- pocksuppet 5mo ago
  And this is the premise on which Anna's Archive operates. The operator isn't even called Anna, just in case that wasn't already obvious to literally everyone.