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Economic, market and product results. Schmidt took Google to the moon financially, speareding projects like Chrome and Android that cemented Google as THE tech

Economic, market and product results. Schmidt took Google to the moon financially, speareding projects like Chrome and Android that cemented Google as THE tech titan(couch monopoly cough), whereas Woz was a top HW engineer of his time, but Apple would have quickly failed if he was at the helm calling the shots, instead of Jobs. From which would you take advice, the successful entrepreneur/investor, or the nice hacker geek who was a one trick pony with the Apple computer but hasn't been in touch with the tech economy and jobs market for decades?

LargeWu 5mo ago
I want advice from the one questioning whether we should, not just whether we can.
- joe_mamba 5mo ago
  OK, and who's stopping you? Take your advice from whoever you want. History tends to shows the pragmatists wiping out the luddites out of the gene pool/business market, but you are free to make your choice the way you see fit, nobody is forcing you to follow anyone.
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jjulius 5mo ago
Wozniak, every time. Gigantic financial success at the expense of everything Google has negatively impacted isn't something I would be proud of. Everyone defines success differently, and Schmidt's "success" is, frankly, unappealing and gross to myself and, I'm sure, many others. There's a lot more to life and the world than the economy and massive financial gains. Focusing on "economic, market and product results" yet mentioning nothing about the impact to people and customers is how Zuckerberg sleeps at night, and that's ugly to me.
crispyambulance 5mo ago
> From which would you take advice, the successful entrepreneur/investor, or the nice hacker geek [?] The nice hacker geek? By the way, the Woz has a net-worth of 140MM, so he's more wealthy that the vast majority of "successful entrepreneur/investors", and also vastly more beloved than virtually all of them. In any case, that's a false dichotomy and actually the wrong question entirely.
- joe_mamba 5mo ago
  >By the way, the Woz has a net-worth of 140MM, so he's more wealthy that the vast majority of "successful entrepreneur/investors", So are a lot of people who invested(gambled) early in Bitcoin and Tesla, that doesn't mean people should take career advice from them just because they managed to make a lot of money. But if you design and developed several successful tech products in your career, I think people should at least listen because it's a pattern rather than just luck. >and also vastly more beloved than virtually all of them So is Taylor Swift, that doesn't mean people should take career advice from her. When I look for people to take advice from I want to see a pattern of home runs, that they can deliver successful products repeatedly, like Erich Schmidt or Steve Jobs, not one trick ponies like Woz who managed to get lucky once in a completely different era, then coast the next 50+ years on past glory giving speeches. Again, I really like Woz as a person, he's my spirit animal, but that doesn't mean he's correct and in tune on the status of the tech market, the challenges people and entrepreneurs will face today. His experience being a HW tinkerer in his garage in the 1970's isn't relevant anymore today. The world has changed massively since then. A more modern day woz would be Palmer Luckey of Anduril. Love him or hate him he's more up to date on what the industry rewards today if you want to be a garage tinkerer made billionaire entrepreneur founder than Woz.
  - crispyambulance 5mo ago
    > When I look for people to take advice from I want to see a pattern of home runs, that they can deliver repeatedly... That's fine, I guess, if your idea of "success" is apple-scale product home-runs (good luck with that). For those of us with more modest aspirations, listening to a cool person talk about cool stuff is a far better of use of time and attention.
watwut 5mo ago
Google turned from company that at least pretends to not do evil ... into one who does it without care. I think that taking advice from a sociopath able to amass a lot of money is usually bad idea. Their advice is designed to make you make him a lot of money. His advice is not about what is good for you - he does not care. And if you succeed you are his competitor.
wat10000 5mo ago
I'm fairly allergic to advice in general, but if I were to take some, I'd take it from the happy extremely rich guy over the ridiculous ultra rich guy.
amanaplanacanal 5mo ago
Dude: Eric schmidt is somebody who turned a cool technology company whose motto was "don't be evil" into an advertising company.

LargeWu 5mo ago

I want advice from the one questioning whether we should, not just whether we can.

joe_mamba 5mo ago
OK, and who's stopping you? Take your advice from whoever you want. History tends to shows the pragmatists wiping out the luddites out of the gene pool/business market, but you are free to make your choice the way you see fit, nobody is forcing you to follow anyone.
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jjulius 5mo ago

Wozniak, every time. Gigantic financial success at the expense of everything Google has negatively impacted isn't something I would be proud of. Everyone defines success differently, and Schmidt's "success" is, frankly, unappealing and gross to myself and, I'm sure, many others. There's a lot more to life and the world than the economy and massive financial gains. Focusing on "economic, market and product results" yet mentioning nothing about the impact to people and customers is how Zuckerberg sleeps at night, and that's ugly to me.

crispyambulance 5mo ago

> From which would you take advice, the successful entrepreneur/investor, or the nice hacker geek [?] The nice hacker geek? By the way, the Woz has a net-worth of 140MM, so he's more wealthy that the vast majority of "successful entrepreneur/investors", and also vastly more beloved than virtually all of them. In any case, that's a false dichotomy and actually the wrong question entirely.

joe_mamba 5mo ago
>By the way, the Woz has a net-worth of 140MM, so he's more wealthy that the vast majority of "successful entrepreneur/investors", So are a lot of people who invested(gambled) early in Bitcoin and Tesla, that doesn't mean people should take career advice from them just because they managed to make a lot of money. But if you design and developed several successful tech products in your career, I think people should at least listen because it's a pattern rather than just luck. >and also vastly more beloved than virtually all of them So is Taylor Swift, that doesn't mean people should take career advice from her. When I look for people to take advice from I want to see a pattern of home runs, that they can deliver successful products repeatedly, like Erich Schmidt or Steve Jobs, not one trick ponies like Woz who managed to get lucky once in a completely different era, then coast the next 50+ years on past glory giving speeches. Again, I really like Woz as a person, he's my spirit animal, but that doesn't mean he's correct and in tune on the status of the tech market, the challenges people and entrepreneurs will face today. His experience being a HW tinkerer in his garage in the 1970's isn't relevant anymore today. The world has changed massively since then. A more modern day woz would be Palmer Luckey of Anduril. Love him or hate him he's more up to date on what the industry rewards today if you want to be a garage tinkerer made billionaire entrepreneur founder than Woz.
- crispyambulance 5mo ago
  > When I look for people to take advice from I want to see a pattern of home runs, that they can deliver repeatedly... That's fine, I guess, if your idea of "success" is apple-scale product home-runs (good luck with that). For those of us with more modest aspirations, listening to a cool person talk about cool stuff is a far better of use of time and attention.

watwut 5mo ago

Google turned from company that at least pretends to not do evil ... into one who does it without care. I think that taking advice from a sociopath able to amass a lot of money is usually bad idea. Their advice is designed to make you make him a lot of money. His advice is not about what is good for you - he does not care. And if you succeed you are his competitor.

wat10000 5mo ago

I'm fairly allergic to advice in general, but if I were to take some, I'd take it from the happy extremely rich guy over the ridiculous ultra rich guy.

amanaplanacanal 5mo ago

Dude: Eric schmidt is somebody who turned a cool technology company whose motto was "don't be evil" into an advertising company.