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It's a valid reminder, but there are plenty of people who despise Jews who are currently operating with total indemnity with this as their defensive line. And

by dijit 5mo ago

It's a valid reminder, but there are plenty of people who despise Jews who are currently operating with total indemnity with this as their defensive line. And even if you call them out, there are people who will openly defend them. I do think that this topic is much too disgusting for anyone to think that there are hero's in the conflict. I'm not Jewish, nor am I Arab, I have no skin in the game. But I don't like how readily we accept that cililians, women, children: are totally acceptable casualties as long as it's "$otherSide, they deserve it, $ourSide is just defending themselves". Gazans supporting Hamas and Israeli's defending the IDFs worst actions are all guilty in my mind and playing games implying one is worse is subtly letting the other side off the hook. If there is a god, Allah or Yaweh- the people who defend child murderers and rapists no matter the "side" are going to have defend their reasoning, I hope they're comfortable with that.

keybored 5mo ago
Both-sides nonsense. We’re decades past assuming good faith from people who equate criticizing Israel with racism.
- dijit 5mo ago
  There's so much documented evidence of people attacking jewish people who they call zionists without cause that I find this line of reasoning stupid. In recent memory there was Ethan Klein, who is Jewish and has visited Israel but is openly critical of Israeli actions and supports Palestine; yet people harassed him and his wife constantly about him being Jewish. I'd totally buy your argument, criticising Hamas isn't the same as being racist to Muslims, and criticising the actions of Israel is not the same as being anti-semetic. I also buy the fact that Israel will defend themselves by claiming racism, something I've seen Muslims do in the UK too. I'm absolutely saying both sides, because ultimately both sides seem to think it's ok to murder children, or to use people as pawns to be be killed to further their expansionist efforts. But It's absolutely true that people are just abusing random jews under the mistaken belief that all jews are zionists, or all jews support israel. Fuck, even people who live in Israel will condemn IDF actions.. There exists nuance of people on the Palestinian side online, yet that affordance is not afforded to Jews. I find that quite ironic, and I'm personally not very chill with hypocrites. Anyone defending rape or child murder is a fucking monster. There is never valid justification, not even if the kid is carrying a suicide vest.
  - keybored 5mo ago
    > There's so much documented evidence of people attacking jewish people who they call zionists without cause that I find this line of reasoning stupid. Attacking people for any reason is unacceptable. Including for being Jewish of course. Assuming that they were truly attacked and not just disagreed with or something. > In recent memory there was Ethan Klein, who is Jewish Being Jewish or not (or any ethnicity) is irrelevant. > and has visited Israel Has lived in Israel. > but is openly critical of Israeli actions and supports Palestine; yet people harassed him and his wife constantly about him being Jewish. I can’t know what all people who criticize a celebrity has done. But the people I’ve seen has criticized him solely for his politics. Not for his ethnicity. Yes, exactly for being a Zionist. Because that’s what he expresses. Not a light or milquetoast kind either. He might say that he wishes that Palestinians have a good life, blah blah. That’s irrelevant when he defends Israel’s actions and argues against the fact that Palestinians are second-class citizens in Israel. His wife served in the IDF and voluntarily, at her own request, moved from an office job in “Israel proper” to a more operative role in the West Bank because she was bored. And got to experience the excitement of being a ride-along on an armed raid in the West Bank. And as opposed to his critics, I have seen antisemitic remarks from Ethan Klein from his time in Israel.
    - dijit 5mo ago
      Ethan Klein is a terrible example for your argument. He debated Hasan Piker for five hours a year ago and clarified, clearly, an anti-Zionist, pro-Palestinian position on the record. You seem to have decided he's a Zionist anyway. You just proved my point. Defend any entity that harms children without accountability (Israeli government, Hamas) -- you've picked a side. That's not conviction. That's tribalism. And sure, let's litigate world affairs from a link aggregator. These aren't factions in a strategy game; they're people with guns doing horrid things to people who can't fight back, hiding behind whoever will defend them. The killed, starved and sexually abused are actual humans. We're somehow expected to say one side is more justified in this? It's not Red vs Blue man. Gtfo.
      - keybored 5mo ago

by dijit 5mo ago

keybored 5mo ago

Both-sides nonsense. We’re decades past assuming good faith from people who equate criticizing Israel with racism.

dijit 5mo ago
There's so much documented evidence of people attacking jewish people who they call zionists without cause that I find this line of reasoning stupid. In recent memory there was Ethan Klein, who is Jewish and has visited Israel but is openly critical of Israeli actions and supports Palestine; yet people harassed him and his wife constantly about him being Jewish. I'd totally buy your argument, criticising Hamas isn't the same as being racist to Muslims, and criticising the actions of Israel is not the same as being anti-semetic. I also buy the fact that Israel will defend themselves by claiming racism, something I've seen Muslims do in the UK too. I'm absolutely saying both sides, because ultimately both sides seem to think it's ok to murder children, or to use people as pawns to be be killed to further their expansionist efforts. But It's absolutely true that people are just abusing random jews under the mistaken belief that all jews are zionists, or all jews support israel. Fuck, even people who live in Israel will condemn IDF actions.. There exists nuance of people on the Palestinian side online, yet that affordance is not afforded to Jews. I find that quite ironic, and I'm personally not very chill with hypocrites. Anyone defending rape or child murder is a fucking monster. There is never valid justification, not even if the kid is carrying a suicide vest.
- keybored 5mo ago
  > There's so much documented evidence of people attacking jewish people who they call zionists without cause that I find this line of reasoning stupid. Attacking people for any reason is unacceptable. Including for being Jewish of course. Assuming that they were truly attacked and not just disagreed with or something. > In recent memory there was Ethan Klein, who is Jewish Being Jewish or not (or any ethnicity) is irrelevant. > and has visited Israel Has lived in Israel. > but is openly critical of Israeli actions and supports Palestine; yet people harassed him and his wife constantly about him being Jewish. I can’t know what all people who criticize a celebrity has done. But the people I’ve seen has criticized him solely for his politics. Not for his ethnicity. Yes, exactly for being a Zionist. Because that’s what he expresses. Not a light or milquetoast kind either. He might say that he wishes that Palestinians have a good life, blah blah. That’s irrelevant when he defends Israel’s actions and argues against the fact that Palestinians are second-class citizens in Israel. His wife served in the IDF and voluntarily, at her own request, moved from an office job in “Israel proper” to a more operative role in the West Bank because she was bored. And got to experience the excitement of being a ride-along on an armed raid in the West Bank. And as opposed to his critics, I have seen antisemitic remarks from Ethan Klein from his time in Israel.
  - dijit 5mo ago
    Ethan Klein is a terrible example for your argument. He debated Hasan Piker for five hours a year ago and clarified, clearly, an anti-Zionist, pro-Palestinian position on the record. You seem to have decided he's a Zionist anyway. You just proved my point. Defend any entity that harms children without accountability (Israeli government, Hamas) -- you've picked a side. That's not conviction. That's tribalism. And sure, let's litigate world affairs from a link aggregator. These aren't factions in a strategy game; they're people with guns doing horrid things to people who can't fight back, hiding behind whoever will defend them. The killed, starved and sexually abused are actual humans. We're somehow expected to say one side is more justified in this? It's not Red vs Blue man. Gtfo.
    - keybored 5mo ago