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You need to calm the fuck down mate, I'm not telling you you can't do anything... I'm saying that production of anything for export is probably not going to be

by lutze 14y ago

You need to calm the fuck down mate, I'm not telling you you can't do anything... I'm saying that production of anything for export is probably not going to be a priority, for a long long time. Generations at the very least. Also, from the way you've blown up here, going off on someone just for throwing out a few doubts, are you absolutely sure you have the right temperament to be locked in a tiny box with other people for a 6 month journey... or possibly the rest of your life? Crikey.

cryptoz 14y ago
I don't see why you're telling me to calm "the fuck" down, after I already said we should slow down the debate. Your swearing at me is unnecessary. As far as production for export not happening for generations: well, I disagree and I think that's completely crazy. I only brought it up as an example that the people living there will not be jobless. I didn't intend on starting some giant export debate, as clearly nobody here has any real idea to what extent there will be exports from Mars within the next 30 years. But yeah, keep insulting me, that'll help this discussion. Edit: If I sounded offended, I partially am. The suggestion that I should stay on Earth because it's cheaper is perhaps the most offensive thing anyone's said to me in a while.
- lutze 14y ago
  The calm down comment was referring to your other post, the WE DON'T CARE one. I'm not telling you you can't, or shouldn't. You want to go to Mars? That's a fucking great aspiration. I'm just saying I don't think software is going to be a major export. Or anything really... unless they find something valuable that's uniquely Martian. Stop being offended by people disagreeing with you.
  - cryptoz 14y ago
    You were trying to tell HN that basements are better for us nerds than Mars. That's absurd and I will not just chill back and let that attitude prevail, as it undermines my very existence. It's insulting and it's offensive. Not only that, but it undermines the whole human enterprise of exploration of the unknown. I completely agree with you that software will not be a major export. Nothing will be a major export. But that's completely irrelevant to everything I've said; I'm a programmer, and I will be able to afford a $500,000 house or a trip to Mars in my mid-40s. If I go, I will be unlikely to work a job purely Mars-based, and it makes sense that I would continue with my work as I do here on Earth: writing software. Your suggestions that Earth basements are better for that life is...well, I don't really have words for how offensive that is. I'm not offended by your disagreement with me, I'm offended at your attitude that nerds should stay in Earth basements and not go to amazing places like Mars.
    - pg 14y ago
      Will you guys please stop this?
      - cryptoz 14y ago
        Sure. Sorry Paul.
      - lutze 14y ago
        "Will you guys please stop this?" Absolutely, sorry. The nerd thing was a joke. I thought the assumption here was that we're all nerds? Edit: because I put things in the wrong place.
      - nhebb 14y ago
        The remainder of the voyage to Mars was quiet aboard the USS HNterprise after Captain Graham threatened to "turn this rocket ship around if you two don't stop fighting".
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- stcredzero 14y ago
  > as clearly nobody here has any real idea to what extent there will be exports from Mars within the next 30 years. Conditional on there being a Mars colony in 30 years, then there will almost certainly be mineral and food exports from Mars to the rest of the solar system other than Earth in another 10.
  - hazov 14y ago
    You know that Mars atmosphere don't capture oxygen right? [1] No way to grow food there unless you export a whole lot of greenhouses and set up an artificial biosphere, but without the conditions that we take for granted on earth. This is already hard to do in deserts or in the Polar regions, where we have plenty of oxygen and free moisture flowing in the atmosphere. [1]: http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/ast121/lectures/lec14.html http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/ast121/lectures/lec14.html for a good explanation.
    - stcredzero 14y ago
      > No way to grow food there unless you export a whole lot of greenhouses No, you can build the greenhouses in-situ. We have already worked out how to produce metals and polymers from martian resources. > This is already hard to do in deserts or in the Polar regions, where we have plenty of oxygen and free moisture flowing in the atmosphere. Sure, there will be considerable challenges. I don't see anything that will be insurmountable.
      - wololo 14y ago
        > We have already worked out how to produce metals and polymers from martian resources. links?
    - stcredzero 14y ago
      > You know that Mars atmosphere don't capture oxygen right? How is this relevant to growing in pressurized domes?
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by lutze 14y ago

cryptoz 14y ago

I don't see why you're telling me to calm "the fuck" down, after I already said we should slow down the debate. Your swearing at me is unnecessary. As far as production for export not happening for generations: well, I disagree and I think that's completely crazy. I only brought it up as an example that the people living there will not be jobless. I didn't intend on starting some giant export debate, as clearly nobody here has any real idea to what extent there will be exports from Mars within the next 30 years. But yeah, keep insulting me, that'll help this discussion. Edit: If I sounded offended, I partially am. The suggestion that I should stay on Earth because it's cheaper is perhaps the most offensive thing anyone's said to me in a while.

lutze 14y ago
The calm down comment was referring to your other post, the WE DON'T CARE one. I'm not telling you you can't, or shouldn't. You want to go to Mars? That's a fucking great aspiration. I'm just saying I don't think software is going to be a major export. Or anything really... unless they find something valuable that's uniquely Martian. Stop being offended by people disagreeing with you.
- cryptoz 14y ago
  You were trying to tell HN that basements are better for us nerds than Mars. That's absurd and I will not just chill back and let that attitude prevail, as it undermines my very existence. It's insulting and it's offensive. Not only that, but it undermines the whole human enterprise of exploration of the unknown. I completely agree with you that software will not be a major export. Nothing will be a major export. But that's completely irrelevant to everything I've said; I'm a programmer, and I will be able to afford a $500,000 house or a trip to Mars in my mid-40s. If I go, I will be unlikely to work a job purely Mars-based, and it makes sense that I would continue with my work as I do here on Earth: writing software. Your suggestions that Earth basements are better for that life is...well, I don't really have words for how offensive that is. I'm not offended by your disagreement with me, I'm offended at your attitude that nerds should stay in Earth basements and not go to amazing places like Mars.
  - pg 14y ago
    Will you guys please stop this?
    - cryptoz 14y ago
      Sure. Sorry Paul.
    - lutze 14y ago
      "Will you guys please stop this?" Absolutely, sorry. The nerd thing was a joke. I thought the assumption here was that we're all nerds? Edit: because I put things in the wrong place.
    - nhebb 14y ago
      The remainder of the voyage to Mars was quiet aboard the USS HNterprise after Captain Graham threatened to "turn this rocket ship around if you two don't stop fighting".
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stcredzero 14y ago
> as clearly nobody here has any real idea to what extent there will be exports from Mars within the next 30 years. Conditional on there being a Mars colony in 30 years, then there will almost certainly be mineral and food exports from Mars to the rest of the solar system other than Earth in another 10.
- hazov 14y ago
  You know that Mars atmosphere don't capture oxygen right? [1] No way to grow food there unless you export a whole lot of greenhouses and set up an artificial biosphere, but without the conditions that we take for granted on earth. This is already hard to do in deserts or in the Polar regions, where we have plenty of oxygen and free moisture flowing in the atmosphere. [1]: http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/ast121/lectures/lec14.html http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/ast121/lectures/lec14.html for a good explanation.
  - stcredzero 14y ago
    > No way to grow food there unless you export a whole lot of greenhouses No, you can build the greenhouses in-situ. We have already worked out how to produce metals and polymers from martian resources. > This is already hard to do in deserts or in the Polar regions, where we have plenty of oxygen and free moisture flowing in the atmosphere. Sure, there will be considerable challenges. I don't see anything that will be insurmountable.
    - wololo 14y ago
      > We have already worked out how to produce metals and polymers from martian resources. links?
  - stcredzero 14y ago
    > You know that Mars atmosphere don't capture oxygen right? How is this relevant to growing in pressurized domes?
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