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Ah, but it's one thing to have it done by an employer with which one has voluntarily entered into an agreement; it's quite another to have it done by the govern

Ah, but it's one thing to have it done by an employer with which one has voluntarily entered into an agreement; it's quite another to have it done by the government.

warmwaffles 14y ago
You entered into an agreement with this school district. They are testing this out on these two schools. If it passes, the district may put them in the other schools. She is going to a Magnet school, not a standard public school.
- lutusp 14y ago
  > You entered into an agreement with this school district. If it's a public school, the agreement cannot include anything that violates a student's civil rights. Under the equal access rules currently in force, the fact that a student chooses to attend a particular school is not a factor -- her civil rights must be protected no matter what choices she makes.
  - warmwaffles 14y ago
    True, however she and her parents signed the forms that the school district sent out about the RFID tags and agreed to the terms. Only after the fact did they start to protest it. Why didn't they protest it from the beginning? Anyways, there is a magnet school literally right next to Taft HS that she could apply to that doesn't have the RFID tags. In fact, she is going to a school that is further away from where she lives and she should be going to the magnet school Comm Arts I live in the area that this is talking about. I don't necessarily agree with the RFID tags, but claiming religion is a load of crap.
    - lutusp 14y ago
      > True, however she and her parents signed the forms that the school district sent out about the RFID tags and agreed to the terms. Doesn't matter -- it doesn't matter whether there is a signed agreement, only whether the agreement does or doesn't include provisions that violate civil rights. If this were not so, the South could have gone around and gotten all the poor black people to sign an agreement to attend inferior schools or give up the right to vote. They didn't even try this tactic, because they knew it wouldn't make any difference. The tl;dr: Civil rights can't be signed away.
      - warmwaffles 14y ago
        I understand that, but you also need to realize Jay HS is one of the worst, underfunded schools in the district. They NEED the money from attendance and that is the only way they get money. If the govt. would start rewarding schools money not based on attendance alone, this would be a totally different thing.
        lutusp 14y ago
        > you also need to realize Jay HS is one of the worst, underfunded schools in the district. They NEED the money from attendance and that is the only way they get money. I'm sure you didn't intend to explain how the school, on financial grounds, would be justified in violating the civil rights of the students. It was surely an oversight.
  - philwelch 14y ago
    Pray tell, what civil rights are violated by carrying RFID badges?
    - warmwaffles 14y ago
      He's talking about the fact they are able to track where the students are "roughly" in the school, and that the RFID badges hold some personal information in them. To which, I'm not sure what kind of personally identifying information is on them other than a UUID. All speculation and snake oil
      - philwelch 14y ago
        > He's talking about the fact they are able to track where the students are "roughly" in the school Isn't that exactly what schools have always tried to do? > and that the RFID badges hold some personal information in them Isn't that exactly the information schools have always had?
        warmwaffles 14y ago
        Yes and yes. I see the issue she's having with the RFID but I also don't understand why she is having such a problem. Her phone tracks her, facebook tracks her, google, etc... it's a problem yes, but I can't do anything about it other than complain. I think the family just wanted to get a quick window of fame and be able to tell people "Ya, we forced the HS to get rid of those RFIDs."
        mcantelon 14y ago
        >Her phone tracks her, facebook tracks her, google, etc... it's a problem yes, but I can't do anything about it other than complain. Noone is forced to use a mobile phone nor Facebook nor Google. >I think the family just wanted to get a quick window of fame and be able to tell people "Ya, we forced the HS to get rid of those RFIDs." Or they could, you know, care about the issues.
philwelch 14y ago
You can say that about anything in the school system, be it ID numbers, ID cards, parking passes, library computers with porn blockers, or even having to show up every day. Why single out RFID badges as magical antichrist technology when they're just a high-tech way of taking attendance and restricting access to school facilities?
- mcantelon 14y ago
  The other technologies you listed can't be used to track people in realtime.
  - philwelch 14y ago
    RFID can't either, unless you severely overpower the readers. You'd think the antichrist would be able to come up with something that couldn't be defeated with aluminum foil.
    - mcantelon 14y ago
      >RFID can't either, unless you severely overpower the readers. Readers can't be made specifically to cover a larger range? >You'd think the antichrist would be able to come up with something that couldn't be defeated with aluminum foil. RFID is cheap. And you don't need something that can't be defeated by aluminum foil. Putting aluminum foil around things is a hassle. People avoid hassles. How many people take the battery out of their cell phones to avoid being tracked?
      - philwelch 14y ago
        Have you ever used an RFID badge? You have to practically press them against the reader to get the damn thing to work. If you think the school is somehow hacking them to do any more than that, you need to provide evidence.
        mcantelon 14y ago

Ah, but it's one thing to have it done by an employer with which one has voluntarily entered into an agreement; it's quite another to have it done by the government.

warmwaffles 14y ago

You entered into an agreement with this school district. They are testing this out on these two schools. If it passes, the district may put them in the other schools. She is going to a Magnet school, not a standard public school.

lutusp 14y ago
> You entered into an agreement with this school district. If it's a public school, the agreement cannot include anything that violates a student's civil rights. Under the equal access rules currently in force, the fact that a student chooses to attend a particular school is not a factor -- her civil rights must be protected no matter what choices she makes.
- warmwaffles 14y ago
  True, however she and her parents signed the forms that the school district sent out about the RFID tags and agreed to the terms. Only after the fact did they start to protest it. Why didn't they protest it from the beginning? Anyways, there is a magnet school literally right next to Taft HS that she could apply to that doesn't have the RFID tags. In fact, she is going to a school that is further away from where she lives and she should be going to the magnet school Comm Arts I live in the area that this is talking about. I don't necessarily agree with the RFID tags, but claiming religion is a load of crap.
  - lutusp 14y ago
    > True, however she and her parents signed the forms that the school district sent out about the RFID tags and agreed to the terms. Doesn't matter -- it doesn't matter whether there is a signed agreement, only whether the agreement does or doesn't include provisions that violate civil rights. If this were not so, the South could have gone around and gotten all the poor black people to sign an agreement to attend inferior schools or give up the right to vote. They didn't even try this tactic, because they knew it wouldn't make any difference. The tl;dr: Civil rights can't be signed away.
    - warmwaffles 14y ago
      I understand that, but you also need to realize Jay HS is one of the worst, underfunded schools in the district. They NEED the money from attendance and that is the only way they get money. If the govt. would start rewarding schools money not based on attendance alone, this would be a totally different thing.
      - lutusp 14y ago
        > you also need to realize Jay HS is one of the worst, underfunded schools in the district. They NEED the money from attendance and that is the only way they get money. I'm sure you didn't intend to explain how the school, on financial grounds, would be justified in violating the civil rights of the students. It was surely an oversight.
- philwelch 14y ago
  Pray tell, what civil rights are violated by carrying RFID badges?
  - warmwaffles 14y ago
    He's talking about the fact they are able to track where the students are "roughly" in the school, and that the RFID badges hold some personal information in them. To which, I'm not sure what kind of personally identifying information is on them other than a UUID. All speculation and snake oil
    - philwelch 14y ago
      > He's talking about the fact they are able to track where the students are "roughly" in the school Isn't that exactly what schools have always tried to do? > and that the RFID badges hold some personal information in them Isn't that exactly the information schools have always had?
      - warmwaffles 14y ago
        Yes and yes. I see the issue she's having with the RFID but I also don't understand why she is having such a problem. Her phone tracks her, facebook tracks her, google, etc... it's a problem yes, but I can't do anything about it other than complain. I think the family just wanted to get a quick window of fame and be able to tell people "Ya, we forced the HS to get rid of those RFIDs."
        mcantelon 14y ago
        >Her phone tracks her, facebook tracks her, google, etc... it's a problem yes, but I can't do anything about it other than complain. Noone is forced to use a mobile phone nor Facebook nor Google. >I think the family just wanted to get a quick window of fame and be able to tell people "Ya, we forced the HS to get rid of those RFIDs." Or they could, you know, care about the issues.

philwelch 14y ago

You can say that about anything in the school system, be it ID numbers, ID cards, parking passes, library computers with porn blockers, or even having to show up every day. Why single out RFID badges as magical antichrist technology when they're just a high-tech way of taking attendance and restricting access to school facilities?

mcantelon 14y ago
The other technologies you listed can't be used to track people in realtime.
- philwelch 14y ago
  RFID can't either, unless you severely overpower the readers. You'd think the antichrist would be able to come up with something that couldn't be defeated with aluminum foil.
  - mcantelon 14y ago
    >RFID can't either, unless you severely overpower the readers. Readers can't be made specifically to cover a larger range? >You'd think the antichrist would be able to come up with something that couldn't be defeated with aluminum foil. RFID is cheap. And you don't need something that can't be defeated by aluminum foil. Putting aluminum foil around things is a hassle. People avoid hassles. How many people take the battery out of their cell phones to avoid being tracked?
    - philwelch 14y ago
      Have you ever used an RFID badge? You have to practically press them against the reader to get the damn thing to work. If you think the school is somehow hacking them to do any more than that, you need to provide evidence.
      - mcantelon 14y ago