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Slumber a TUI HTTP Client
- zdkaster 5mo agoLove the support for neovim integration
- smetj 5mo agoThat looks great! Will give it a spin during my daily work. Thanks for making and sharing it.
- hunter2_ 5mo agoTUI stands for "Text User Interface" not "Terminal User Interface" considering that the point of TUI vs GUI is to distinguish text mode from graphical mode. The word "terminal" isn't really meant to imply text even if quite a few terminal emulators are, indeed, text mode; rather it typically means that the UI is drawn by some other machine than the one you're touching. For example, a very popular Windows Server feature formerly named "Terminal Services" is for GUI terminals, not TUI terminals. A likely source of confusion is the MacOS app named Terminal, which only becomes a terminal in the real sense of the word once you decide to let some other machine draw your UI (ssh, telnet, rlogin, etc.). But it looks very cool!
- _flux 5mo agoOn the other hand, there are many elements in the user interface that are not text. In fact, I think it would be quite understandable if one even separated REPLs like bash or octave to be "text user interfaces" while applications that make use of character placement and border special characters "terminal user interfaces", because they use means beyond text stream to communicate with the user. One might even render straight up graphics to a terminal [emulator application]. Even X had a separate application called xterm 42 years ago: the complete X system was not to my knowledge called a terminal system, except perhaps when discussing the dedicated client devices, such as VT1300. Also the term "virtual terminal" as far as I know has always referred to a the kind of interface this application is making use of. So I think we can just accept that the term is overloaded such that "terminal" refers to both of these situations, as there is no historical precedent to have it exclude the other situation, and the term "terminal-based application" is completely clear to a rational listener.
- nine_k 5mo agoA REPL like bash already is not a pure text stream, since readline is used. Zsh, even less so.
- _flux 5mo agoBut they are just convenience features, not in my opinion the defining property. They basically work just the same without them.
- nine_k 5mo agoTry running plain sh / ash interactively without readline, and notice how much pain it is. But I agree that having multiple windows, etc is a whole new step; it's just a limited GUI accessible easily via SSH. Could involve sixel graphics as well.
- _flux 4mo agoVirtual terminal is surprisingly capable, it even has word delete feature! And shells have some nice history features which I'm sure would become even more familiar if one had to use them (as I suppose was the case a long time ago), such as !$ that expands to the last argument of previous entry.
- wjholden 5mo agoMoreover, I'll appeal to authority and point out that Ratatui's motto is "Cook up delicious terminal user interfaces" (https://ratatui.rs https://ratatui.rs).
- mentalgear 5mo agoDoesn't make it in any form a valid argument for Terminal instead of Text.
- rustyminnow 5mo ago> character placement and border special characters These characters _are_ text though. They can be copy pasted like text, I can use them in my text editor, you can stick em in a string.
- dual_dingo 5mo agoI would argue that a local only session with terminal.app is still a real terminal session because the app is just a terminal for the connection to the MacOS version of getty. In principle, this is not different from having a serial cable between the host and an old-style terminal or encapsulating that connection over a different network like with SSH and telnet etc.
- embedding-shape 5mo agomacOS also call their log viewer "Console" for what I'm sure are obvious reasons to some, but seemingly confuses every beginner developer at least initially, while "console" is what many have come to understand "Text-like entry system to run computer commands".
- skydhash 5mo agoUnix has a dedicated console concept which is the system output. This is more likely to be the hardware console (and maybe synonyms). I think there’s a lot of steps to get to a log viewer named console, though.
- mentalgear 5mo agoVery much agree - "Text User Interface" is also a much clearer descriptor for non-technical users to understand. Normal people have an immediate idea of 'text' but not of that 'strange nerdy terminal thing' - and that's important because often times a good 'Text User Interface' is all that even regular people need ! (plus custom theme customize-able & much less work for the devs to build & maintain, and way less dependencies)
- gcgbarbosa 5mo agoIf it is just an acronym, they can define it as they wish in my opinion. As long as they defines it first (and they did)
- hombre_fatal 5mo agoTUI also means terminal user interface. But this is wrong: > it typically means that the UI is drawn by some other machine than the one you're touching I guess you're conflating thin-client terminal in the networking sense vs vt100 hardware terminal lineage (where "terminal" comes from here), but it means a text mode interface that runs in the terminal emulator and uses, say, ansi escape sequences. Rather, when you see TUI, it just means the app runs in one of your kitty panes. Btw, your "Terminal Services" example doesn't show that "terminal" implies remote drawing. It shows Microsoft extended the word to cover remote GUI sessions, which is a later, broader usage.
- hunter2_ 5mo ago> I guess you're conflating thin-client terminal in the networking sense vs vt100 hardware terminal lineage Yes, I didn't really think to separate the two. While my examples of ssh/telnet/rlogin are all of the networking variety, I didn't mean to exclude RS-232 (which the VT100 used). Regardless of whether the wire is for serial or packet data, if you're at a terminal (including any of the thin/dumb/smart varieties), you're not at the box doing the heavy lifting because that's on the other end of a wire representing an important demarcation, a demarcation that doesn't really apply to a local app running a text-mode user interface (or if the mental gymnastics are performed that does introduce such demarcation even within a local app -- think backend vs frontend -- then all local apps are terminals).
- fc417fc802 4mo ago> Btw, your "Terminal Services" example doesn't show that "terminal" implies remote drawing. It shows Microsoft extended the word to cover remote GUI sessions, which is a later, broader usage. They didn't. It implies remote drawing and that has at least occasionally included arbitrary graphics. See plan 9 for example.
- joshka 5mo agoHistorically, “TUI” referred to “Text User Interface”, but language evolves and “Terminal User Interface” has been common usage in terminal-app/tooling communities for at least the last decade (probably more). The distinction we (Ratatui) draw is that the rendering surface is a terminal: historically sometimes a physical hardware terminal (someone got Ratatui running on a Minitel a while back), more commonly today a terminal emulator/PTY environment. That framing also better captures the kinds of constraints and capabilities Ratatui apps actually deal with: terminal escape sequences, cell-based rendering, alternate screen buffers, mouse handling, resize behavior, scrollback interaction, etc. In addition, these apps don't only do text only these days as modern terminals support various graphics protocols (Sixel, Kitty, iTerm graphics) and other extensions that can allow for weird and wonderful things that are not just text.
- hunter2_ 4mo agoThanks! As I think about terminals in quite different contexts (credit card terminal, battery terminal, train terminal, etc.) I'm realizing that it's really just any kind of endpoint at all, so pretty much any human interface device (HID) should probably be called a terminal. But when taken to that level, using the acronym TUI (in the "terminal" sense) to mean "not a GUI/CLI" (as if big old consoles or emulators/PTYs thereof are the only type of terminals) seems questionable.
- wolvoleo 4mo agoSixels are far from modern :) They were introduced in the VT240 (special purpose version of the 220) and became mainstream on DEC terminals with the 320.
- keyle 5mo agoIf it could import and export postman collections and env, you'd have a customer for life!
- PikitiDev 5mo ago[flagged]
- voidUpdate 5mo ago> "To that end, configuration is defined in a YAML file called the request collection" Genuine question, why do people use YAML? I've been using it a little bit recently (reading existing documents, not writing my own), and it just seems like a more overcomplicated and less human-readable version of JSON? With potential security vulnerabilities?
- amazingman 5mo agoPeople use YAML because a bunch of other people use YAML. Whatever its warts, there's no use resisting it.
- bschwindHN 5mo ago> it just seems like a more overcomplicated Because people LOVE overcomplicated shit. You see it happen everywhere.
- kalaksi 5mo agoI don't think that's it
- kalaksi 5mo agoIf not using any esoteric features, it's more human readable (imo), easier to write, can have comments and has some useful features like different kind of multi-line values. JSON is valid YAML, by the way.
- speed_spread 5mo agoBecause as long as you stay away from anchors and inline JSON, YAML is a perfectly workable, structured, human-readable format that supports comments.
- mystifyingpoi 5mo ago> less human-readable version of JSON Please provide an example, how YAML can be less readable than JSON. I struggle to think of any.
- dhruv3006 5mo agoGreat to see this space so active.I see this a TUI. You can also try out Voiden : https://voiden.md/ https://voiden.md/ which has a different approach to this. Also YAML is a interesting choice - any reasons for this. PS : I am associated with Voiden.
- uallo 5mo agohttps://github.com/darrenburns/posting https://github.com/darrenburns/posting is another TUI client.
- SwiftyBug 5mo agoThis is awesome! OpenAPI integration is a great feature.
- vladde 5mo agolooks nice when you want to quickly get something up and running! i'm trying to move away from GUI-based, and i haven't really found a nice workflow with just using curl https://justuse.org/curl/ https://justuse.org/curl/
- aitchnyu 5mo agoI used to write Python scripts with Requests or run from terminal. It has a nicer syntax, all LLMs know it, and we all used Python in the backend. https://docs.python-requests.org/en/latest/index.html https://docs.python-requests.org/en/latest/index.html
- WorldMaker 5mo agoIf you already have Python installed, I'm still a big fan of the httpie CLI [1]. It's a CLI wrapper for Requests that provides a very friendly CLI DSL. [1] https://httpie.io/cli https://httpie.io/cli
- ranger_danger 4mo agoUnfortunately it appears unmaintained, and still doesn't support HTTP/2, which is a non-starter for me.
- NoSalt 5mo agoOh, man, that write-up is hilarious! Hilarious and true. The KISS principle is the way to go.
- jhy 5mo ago> Slumber is a terminal-based HTTP client, built for interacting with REST and other HTTP clients I wonder what that means -- I looked around the docs but didn't see that it interacts with other clients. I thought maybe it would show a generated curl command or something along those lines. But perhaps it's just a typo for HTTP servers?
- oneeyedpigeon 5mo agoMaybe it's referring to the CLI, since you could pipe to/from it? There's an example relating to curl: https://slumber.lucaspickering.me/user_guide/cli/subcommands.html#slumber-generate https://slumber.lucaspickering.me/user_guide/cli/subcommands...
- ananthakumaran 5mo agoFor those who are using Emacs, https://github.com/federicotdn/verb https://github.com/federicotdn/verb provides similar UX, I have been using it as a postman alternative for quite some time.
- wing-_-nuts 5mo agoPostman has turned from something that's bad, that I put up with, to something that's god awful that I simply refuse to engage with. Now days, I just do everything with curl, shell functions and history
- tracker1 5mo agoA couple years ago, around when Deno hit 1.0, I started using it for a LOT of my shell scripting scenarios... I can write TypeScript files with a shebang that pretty much just work, and can reference repository packages that load to a cache directory at runtime if missing.. no separate npm install step. This has been extremely helpful... I'm as inclined to copy as fetch then paste and tweak in a TS file as I am to use curl or anything else... I've pretty much stopped using things like postman altogether.
- JoeBOFH 4mo agoI ran from Postman to Insomnia. Then that was ruined. Now I am onto Bruno. We will see how long that lasts.
- moralestapia 4mo agoBruno ftw!
- moribvndvs 4mo agoSame except insert some insomnia forks/clones. Silver lining: if/when Bruno goes, I’ll finally be annoyed enough write my own.
- sgt 5mo agoThe "Postman" team hates this one app...
- Duke64 4mo agoI've already made the switch. Since then, my family and I have been doing better. My wife and I are having sex more often—and it's better than ever! I've already been offered a pay raise at work—just like that!
- unkn0wn_root 5mo agoResterm is also another api TUI client https://github.com/unkn0wn-root/resterm https://github.com/unkn0wn-root/resterm but uses .rest/.http files instead.
- guilhas 4mo agoBeen using https://httpyac.github.io https://httpyac.github.io, but that looks quite nice. How have I not seen it before? .http files is definitely the way
- thelookin 5mo ago[dead]
- bmn__ 5mo ago> built for interacting with REST I just tried it to verify that claim, but the software does not follow a hyperlink. How did you manage to screw up such a basic feature?
- cafebabbe 5mo agolooks very polished and neat. Alas for me 10-20ish lines for the json response is really, really not enough
- rastrojero2000 5mo agoDoesn't feel particularly accessible, NVDA kept yelling at me all kinds of confusing things for daring using it :(
- oniony 5mo agoI tried to delete the example entries from my newly created collection but seems this is impossible on Mac without remapping the keys? Delete key does not exist, Fn-Backspace does not work too.
- marcuskaz 5mo agoThese small utilities are great, now so quick and easy to create. I made a TUI version and then grew tired of it and ported it to Electron, took less than an hour for each. For those complaining about YAML format, you can create your own in less than an hour using whatever format you want. The potentially disheartening thing about the ability to create apps like this, they are just low effort are they even worth sharing anymore? I have personal clones of Postman, Teux Deux, Goodreads and a few other utilities. Previously I would clean them up, document, and share out, but now I don't bother with most of it. Just not worth it, when people can make their own customized to their whims.
- voidfunc 5mo agoYea I don't bother trying to share my personal tools anymore. Many are just quickly slopped out by Claude and work well for me but they're not passion projects or polished to be consumable by others.
- RAZKOM 5mo agoBeing able to make apps like these so quickly with AI now has actually let me learn more than anything. I agree that most are not worth sharing, but as primarily C# developer, I've been making it a point to try out different languages that I would have otherwise never have touched like Rust and Go. That being said, I think with enough polish and a little bit of passion like this Slumber app, they do become worth sharing.
- throwaway613746 5mo ago[dead]
- tracker1 5mo agoNot sure if it's supported, but would be cool to take an openapi spec doc and generate the scaffold for queries, similar to swaggerui but inside this tui.
- whitten 5mo agoThere is some discussion here about text user interface versus terminal user interface. There is also the term CHUI for Character User Interface that is contrasted with TUI.
- jianshuo 4mo agoI wonder why it is still useful? Does it has a CLI that empowers AI agent? Why should we use TUI, instead of GUI for this application?