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are you saying workers should show gratitude to their employers?
by nielsbot 5mo ago
are you saying workers should show gratitude to their employers?
- skybrian 5mo agoYes, if you're treated well. It was a fair deal. More than fair, generous. I can't point to anything I did that was worth so much. You seem surprised? Do you know how things (sometimes) work in Silicon Valley?
- LastTrain 5mo agoNo, despite working there and (apparently) making too much money to complain. Spell it out for us please.
- vrganj 5mo agoI feel the opposite. Looking at the yearly revenue of these companies and dividing them by the number of people that contributed, I clearly created much more value than my comp gave me. Labor is entitled to all it creates.
- skybrian 5mo agoI learned pretty quickly that money in Silicon Valley has nothing to do with getting what you "deserve" after a co-worker sold a domain name at the height of the dot-com bubble and retired on the proceeds. Sometimes people get lucky and there's no point in getting angry about it.
- vrganj 5mo agoDo you think it's reasonable Zuckerberg or Bezos get rewarded the way they do while Amazon drivers piss in bottles and barely paid contractors get PTSD from moderating Facebook? The system is rotten to the core. We as tech workers are somewhere in the middle, simultaneously being exploited while also benefiting from the exploitation of others.
- zozbot234 5mo agoWould you rather people not be allowed to do these jobs at all? That wouldn't leave them better off. Even paying them more must necessarily be weighed against the opportunity of expanded hiring at the prevailing market wage, lest you simply create a new privileged high caste of super highly paid Amazon drivers or Facebook content moderators.
- vrganj 5mo agoI would rather not have people's dignity priced by the market, the same one that created the Zuckerbergs and Sacklers of this world. Markets are fundamentally just a proxy for the interests of rich people. There can be no fair allocation of resources as long as the mechanism to do so is a figleaf for the oligarchy.
- skybrian 5mo agoI’ve read news reports about those jobs and they do sound very bad. But as for being exploited, I’m certain that I wasn’t.
- vrganj 5mo agoWhy are you so certain? How much does your CEO provide in value compared to your labor? You really sure its a fair distribution of the proceeds?
- tasuki 5mo agoI think I have shown gratitude to all my employers. They have invariably treated me well, and I believe the relationships were mutually beneficial. If you do not feel gratitude to your employer I suggest you find a different one. If you cannot find such an employer over an extended time frame, perhaps the problem is you.
- nielsbot 5mo agoI disagree. You can feel a job has been worthwhile, lucrative, satisfying… (mutually beneficial) But feeling gratitude to an _entity_ that puts profits before your well-being is misplaced. Maybe there are exceptions, but not in big tech.
- tasuki 5mo agoI've only worked for one big tech(ish) company (Elastic). They have treated me fantastically and I'm grateful. Mostly I choose to work for small companies, getting reimbursed in job satisfaction and work-life balance rather than a big paycheck.