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It's the most dumb article I have ever seen on Hackernews with respect to the writer who has knowledge about protocols and concepts. No TCP/IP means no normal

It's the most dumb article I have ever seen on Hackernews with respect to the writer who has knowledge about protocols and concepts. No TCP/IP means no normal internet routing. → You would need a totally new way for machines to find and send data to each other. Bots are not tied to HTTP/HTML forever, people can write new bots for the new protocol, including by the use of GUI automation (digital or with plotters that mimic human actions (instagam farm bots))

tomrod 5mo ago
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- johnfn 5mo ago
  I place the probability that GP's post was LLM-generated at approximately 0%.
- jimmaswell 5mo ago
  I really feel like accusing comments of being made by AI, especially with as little evidence as using an arrow, should be discouraged in the guidelines. It's become tediously common despite already falling under numerous more general items in that list.
  - kube-system 5mo ago
    You’re absolutely right! It’s a tired criticism that provides nothing to the discussion.
    - JeremieDecoop 5mo ago
      It was part of the first results on Hackernews homepage. the reaction of my post is a call, even as we know that words can weight differently according to how, when and where we read them. HN brings value, and it is not guaranteed that it'll continue in its path. Though every idea is welcome, sharing them freely is important. It is a criticism to which I provided an answer : human movements can be replicated : scrappers bypass oAuth 2, Cloudfare CDN, Social networks anti bots algorithm, any Google patented human movement detection algorithm, unfortunately changing the architecture won't impact the quality of internet.
johnfn 5mo ago
The article is a little naive, yea, but it's not even close to the dumbest article I've ever seen on HN :-)
singingtoday 5mo ago
That seems harsh. Yes there's technical challenges, but the current iteration of the clearnet is on life support from a humanistic perspective. And, projects of similar conceptual scope already been accomplished. There exists more than one application layer network built on top of the current Internet. If you want to criticize the idea I encourage you to; but please don't just shoot down and insult on hn.
- lanfeust6 5mo ago
  > If you want to criticize the idea I encourage you They just did. That isn't "just" shooting down.
outside1234 5mo ago
At least he got the premise right, if not the implementation. That is better than 50% of articles. :)
- PaulDavisThe1st 5mo ago
  The premise being that the root cause of walled gardens, enshittification, data trading etc. is IP ? Get outa here ...
  - outside1234 5mo ago
    No that’s the implementation, the premise is that the current internet is not working for us (the people) and we need to move to something that does.
    - _carbyau_ 5mo ago
      I think we need DNS for all, not just the rich-enough-to-register-a-domain. If everyone could register their publicKey:IPv6 pair then why would we go to FB at all if we could talk directly with each other?
    - komali2 5mo ago
      Any thoughts on reticulum? https://reticulum.network/ https://reticulum.network/ I've been thinking of building out a network of nodes in Taipei. Chatting with people this weekend at g0v summit about it. There's many reasons in Taiwan we could use an internet that's not the internet. If not today, then tomorrow...
- raincole 5mo ago
  I mean, yeah, if you made a non-interoperable internet2, no one would use that, and therefore no marketer would use that too. In this sense this article is 100% correct.
dang 5mo ago
> It's the most dumb article I have ever seen on Hackernews Can you please not do this in comments? It is very demoralizing to post something and be met with this kind of reaction, which will hit the other person 100x harder than I'm sure you intended. You can make your substantive points without that.
- mrmarket 5mo ago
  Thanks for sticking up for me, lol. It's ok though. He's partly right in that I was in a rash burn-it-all down mood at the time of this post. Suggesting we start from scratch re: create an entirely new way to transfer information between machines was obviously pretty hyperbolic and over the top. I had just seen one too many AI-generated posts on bearblog and wanted to do the equivalent of go off-grid and hope there was some organic beauty to be found there before the parking lots inevitably appeared. Anyway, let this be a lesson to me. Next time I post to HN, I should count to 10 and look at my rant with more rational eyes. No harm done.
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tomrod 5mo ago

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johnfn 5mo ago
I place the probability that GP's post was LLM-generated at approximately 0%.
jimmaswell 5mo ago
I really feel like accusing comments of being made by AI, especially with as little evidence as using an arrow, should be discouraged in the guidelines. It's become tediously common despite already falling under numerous more general items in that list.
- kube-system 5mo ago
  You’re absolutely right! It’s a tired criticism that provides nothing to the discussion.
  - JeremieDecoop 5mo ago
    It was part of the first results on Hackernews homepage. the reaction of my post is a call, even as we know that words can weight differently according to how, when and where we read them. HN brings value, and it is not guaranteed that it'll continue in its path. Though every idea is welcome, sharing them freely is important. It is a criticism to which I provided an answer : human movements can be replicated : scrappers bypass oAuth 2, Cloudfare CDN, Social networks anti bots algorithm, any Google patented human movement detection algorithm, unfortunately changing the architecture won't impact the quality of internet.

johnfn 5mo ago

The article is a little naive, yea, but it's not even close to the dumbest article I've ever seen on HN :-)

singingtoday 5mo ago

That seems harsh. Yes there's technical challenges, but the current iteration of the clearnet is on life support from a humanistic perspective. And, projects of similar conceptual scope already been accomplished. There exists more than one application layer network built on top of the current Internet. If you want to criticize the idea I encourage you to; but please don't just shoot down and insult on hn.

lanfeust6 5mo ago
> If you want to criticize the idea I encourage you They just did. That isn't "just" shooting down.

outside1234 5mo ago

At least he got the premise right, if not the implementation. That is better than 50% of articles. :)

PaulDavisThe1st 5mo ago
The premise being that the root cause of walled gardens, enshittification, data trading etc. is IP ? Get outa here ...
- outside1234 5mo ago
  No that’s the implementation, the premise is that the current internet is not working for us (the people) and we need to move to something that does.
  - _carbyau_ 5mo ago
    I think we need DNS for all, not just the rich-enough-to-register-a-domain. If everyone could register their publicKey:IPv6 pair then why would we go to FB at all if we could talk directly with each other?
  - komali2 5mo ago
    Any thoughts on reticulum? https://reticulum.network/ https://reticulum.network/ I've been thinking of building out a network of nodes in Taipei. Chatting with people this weekend at g0v summit about it. There's many reasons in Taiwan we could use an internet that's not the internet. If not today, then tomorrow...
raincole 5mo ago
I mean, yeah, if you made a non-interoperable internet2, no one would use that, and therefore no marketer would use that too. In this sense this article is 100% correct.

dang 5mo ago

> It's the most dumb article I have ever seen on Hackernews Can you please not do this in comments? It is very demoralizing to post something and be met with this kind of reaction, which will hit the other person 100x harder than I'm sure you intended. You can make your substantive points without that.

mrmarket 5mo ago
Thanks for sticking up for me, lol. It's ok though. He's partly right in that I was in a rash burn-it-all down mood at the time of this post. Suggesting we start from scratch re: create an entirely new way to transfer information between machines was obviously pretty hyperbolic and over the top. I had just seen one too many AI-generated posts on bearblog and wanted to do the equivalent of go off-grid and hope there was some organic beauty to be found there before the parking lots inevitably appeared. Anyway, let this be a lesson to me. Next time I post to HN, I should count to 10 and look at my rant with more rational eyes. No harm done.
- JeremieDecoop 5mo ago
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lesser-shadow 5mo ago
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