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Can you name a good new Google product then? I just can't remember anything recent. I can't even remember any good recent _improvements_ to their core products.

by cyberax 5mo ago

Can you name a good new Google product then? I just can't remember anything recent. I can't even remember any good recent _improvements_ to their core products. If anything, recent changes are more like downgrades than upgrades.

erwincoumans 5mo ago
Gemini is pretty good.
- bigstrat2003 5mo ago
  You're entitled to your opinion, but you're literally the first person I've ever heard say that. Even people who like LLMs seem to think that GPT and Claude are the good ones, with Gemini being B tier at best.
  - amazingamazing 5mo ago
    https://openrouter.ai/rankings https://openrouter.ai/rankings
    - cyberax 5mo ago
      Uhh... It's on the 13-th place in rankings. And way behind in most benchmarks?
      - kaashif 5mo ago
        #6 in usage by tokens. It obviously has some use case. My experience is that Gemini is much more token efficient than other models. Measuring tokens is like measuring distance travelled by measuring fuel consumption. I mostly use Codex though, I can't be bothered to have more than one subscription.
  - erwincoumans 5mo ago
    Agreed Gemini maybe not the best, but it is still pretty good. And their research was the foundation of others (Attention is all you need paper).
  - rockinghigh 5mo ago
    Gemini tends to be faster and the Flash and Flash Lite models outperform ChatGPT's equivalent models.
- majormajor 5mo ago
  Is it any sort of leap over the product's it's copying? IBM made some decent (sometimes extremely good, even!) products in a lot of segments for a long time after losing their relevance as "driving the future of computing." But rarely as a segment-definer or introducer.
amazingamazing 5mo ago
Notebook LM is good.
fragmede 5mo ago
Waymo's pretty good.
- cyberax 5mo ago
  That's not a Google product per-se, and it's also not new.
  - fragmede 5mo ago
    Waymo was originally called the Google self-driving car. If it's only come to your city this year, I'd say that's pretty new. If it's not in your city yet, it's so new it's not even there!
antibios 5mo ago
Waymo
pelasaco 5mo ago
Isn't Gmail a product? i think its pretty solid. Actually the best e-mail service out there, no?
- tardedmeme 5mo ago
  Gmail ruined email because it used to be decentralised, but now everyone needs to be on Gmail so Gmail won't randomly discard their messages.
  - pelasaco 5mo ago
    wow "Gmail ruined email" is a strong argument. Hard to agree with. Gmail revolutionized and democratized email.
    - tardedmeme 5mo ago
      I would've thought the democratised era was when there were 2000 providers and not when there were 2?
- cyberax 5mo ago
  Well, it was a great product in 2005!
  - pelasaco 5mo ago
    But it still great today, no? I mean professionally I am in the MS 365 world, which is definitely not better than gmail. We have some mail servers for services and until now we weren't able (for instance) to find an open source alternative to gmail and office 365.. any recommendation?

by cyberax 5mo ago

erwincoumans 5mo ago

Gemini is pretty good.

bigstrat2003 5mo ago
You're entitled to your opinion, but you're literally the first person I've ever heard say that. Even people who like LLMs seem to think that GPT and Claude are the good ones, with Gemini being B tier at best.
- amazingamazing 5mo ago
  https://openrouter.ai/rankings https://openrouter.ai/rankings
  - cyberax 5mo ago
    Uhh... It's on the 13-th place in rankings. And way behind in most benchmarks?
    - kaashif 5mo ago
      #6 in usage by tokens. It obviously has some use case. My experience is that Gemini is much more token efficient than other models. Measuring tokens is like measuring distance travelled by measuring fuel consumption. I mostly use Codex though, I can't be bothered to have more than one subscription.
- erwincoumans 5mo ago
  Agreed Gemini maybe not the best, but it is still pretty good. And their research was the foundation of others (Attention is all you need paper).
- rockinghigh 5mo ago
  Gemini tends to be faster and the Flash and Flash Lite models outperform ChatGPT's equivalent models.
majormajor 5mo ago
Is it any sort of leap over the product's it's copying? IBM made some decent (sometimes extremely good, even!) products in a lot of segments for a long time after losing their relevance as "driving the future of computing." But rarely as a segment-definer or introducer.

amazingamazing 5mo ago

Notebook LM is good.

fragmede 5mo ago

Waymo's pretty good.

cyberax 5mo ago
That's not a Google product per-se, and it's also not new.
- fragmede 5mo ago
  Waymo was originally called the Google self-driving car. If it's only come to your city this year, I'd say that's pretty new. If it's not in your city yet, it's so new it's not even there!

antibios 5mo ago

Waymo

pelasaco 5mo ago

Isn't Gmail a product? i think its pretty solid. Actually the best e-mail service out there, no?

tardedmeme 5mo ago
Gmail ruined email because it used to be decentralised, but now everyone needs to be on Gmail so Gmail won't randomly discard their messages.
- pelasaco 5mo ago
  wow "Gmail ruined email" is a strong argument. Hard to agree with. Gmail revolutionized and democratized email.
  - tardedmeme 5mo ago
    I would've thought the democratised era was when there were 2000 providers and not when there were 2?
cyberax 5mo ago
Well, it was a great product in 2005!
- pelasaco 5mo ago
  But it still great today, no? I mean professionally I am in the MS 365 world, which is definitely not better than gmail. We have some mail servers for services and until now we weren't able (for instance) to find an open source alternative to gmail and office 365.. any recommendation?