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Greed and spite.

by ray_v 5mo ago

Greed and spite.

foxglacier 5mo ago
You people need to stop saying this. You're being greedy when you buy groceries from a cheaper supermarket. You're being greedy when you negotiate your salary or choose a job based on pay, or anything where you're trying to get more stuff for yourself. Those things are all perfectly good behaviors, they make the world more productive, so everyone wins overall. Greed isn't a problem. Spite? No evidence of that. They probably just don't want to lose the money from paying customers and ads. You're just making up fantasy. Perhaps projecting your own spite.
- pasquinelli 5mo ago
  > Greed isn't a problem. you listed 1. buying the cheapest groceries you can reasonably find 2. trying to get the highest salary you can 3. literally any time you try to get more for yourself that's a weak list from which to conclude that greed isn't a problem, especially since in the case of 1. and 2. someone's making money off you, the person who's supposedly greedy in these scenarios.
  - SR2Z 5mo ago
    The beauty of capitalism is that both parties can benefit from trade.
    - pasquinelli 5mo ago
      why did anyone trade prior to capitalism?
      - SR2Z 5mo ago
        Consensual trade between rational actors leads to both of them benefiting. Before capitalism, the ideology which focused on property rights and individual freedoms didn't really have a name...
        pasquinelli 5mo ago
        so how's it the beauty of capitalism?
        SR2Z 5mo ago
        'cause that's the one where you get to own things?
        pasquinelli 5mo ago
        if that's the one where you get to own things then there wasn't trade before capitalism, because you can't trade things without ownership. is that what you're saying?
  - foxglacier 4mo ago
    2. is literally you making money off someone else. That someone else might not also be making money off your work - you might be selling services to an individual for their personal consumption, or more commonly, you might be doing that through an intermediary (employer) that connects consumers with producers and launders the guilt of demanding more money. 1. Do farmers count as greedily making money off you for trying to get the highest prices for their produce from distributers and retailers who are trying to compete for customers with low prices? Yes but that's good! Every player in that supply chain is optimizing for themselves and it ends up working pretty well for everyone. Maybe you think farmers are too rich and should not demand so much money for their produce because greed is bad?

Greed and spite.

by ray_v 5mo ago

Greed and spite.

You people need to stop saying this. You're being greedy when you buy groceries from a cheaper supermarket. You're being greedy when you negotiate your salary or choose a job based on pay, or anything where you're trying to get more stuff for yourself. Those things are all perfectly good behaviors, they make the world more productive, so everyone wins overall. Greed isn't a problem. Spite? No evidence of that. They probably just don't want to lose the money from paying customers and ads. You're just making up fantasy. Perhaps projecting your own spite.

pasquinelli 5mo ago
> Greed isn't a problem. you listed 1. buying the cheapest groceries you can reasonably find 2. trying to get the highest salary you can 3. literally any time you try to get more for yourself that's a weak list from which to conclude that greed isn't a problem, especially since in the case of 1. and 2. someone's making money off you, the person who's supposedly greedy in these scenarios.
- SR2Z 5mo ago
  The beauty of capitalism is that both parties can benefit from trade.
  - pasquinelli 5mo ago
    why did anyone trade prior to capitalism?
    - SR2Z 5mo ago
      Consensual trade between rational actors leads to both of them benefiting. Before capitalism, the ideology which focused on property rights and individual freedoms didn't really have a name...
      - pasquinelli 5mo ago
        so how's it the beauty of capitalism?
        SR2Z 5mo ago
        'cause that's the one where you get to own things?
        pasquinelli 5mo ago
        if that's the one where you get to own things then there wasn't trade before capitalism, because you can't trade things without ownership. is that what you're saying?
- foxglacier 4mo ago
  2. is literally you making money off someone else. That someone else might not also be making money off your work - you might be selling services to an individual for their personal consumption, or more commonly, you might be doing that through an intermediary (employer) that connects consumers with producers and launders the guilt of demanding more money. 1. Do farmers count as greedily making money off you for trying to get the highest prices for their produce from distributers and retailers who are trying to compete for customers with low prices? Yes but that's good! Every player in that supply chain is optimizing for themselves and it ends up working pretty well for everyone. Maybe you think farmers are too rich and should not demand so much money for their produce because greed is bad?