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Author dislikes yarvin because he's a white supremacist. I dislike him because he denies Israel exerts control over US foreign policy, while repeatedly saying

Author dislikes yarvin because he's a white supremacist. I dislike him because he denies Israel exerts control over US foreign policy, while repeatedly saying the Gaza Strip should be ethnicaly cleansed. He tries to pretend he's this subversive free thinker, but when you peel away the layers it's just another Randy Fine lurking within. But apparently white supremacism is worse than this... other kind of supremacism he has. The supremacism we dare not prefix but which kills orders of magnitude more people.

steve_adams_86 5mo ago
> He tries to pretend he's this subversive free thinker This is one of the greater ironies about him and the people who admire his writing and ideas. They have a tendency to be firmly connected to rails, incapable of reflection or deviation from the course they've chosen. Regardless of if the ideas are workable or remotely sound, they charge forward. I suppose most ideologies rooted in notions of subversion or free-thinking tend to suffer in similar ways. Any time you start to believe you've figured something out that others haven't, or that you're outside the confines of conventions, you're either a genius or very ignorant. None of these people are geniuses.
- LAC-Tech 5mo ago
  I was a fan of his at one point. I did enjoy him talking about the English Civil war and Glorious Revolution, the US War of Independence, etc etc. He introduced me to the "Whig View of History". And his substack post about the ludicrousness notion that the occupation of the US Capitol my a mob in 2021 was a serious attempt at a revolution/coup was a welcome antidote to the hysteria at the time. But the thing with Yarvin is - he's widely read, but if you dig deeper into any one thing, his reading is shallow. And like most extremists I have read (from communists to anarcho capitalists), he is pretty good at diagnosing problems but awful at proposing solutions.
  - steve_adams_86 5mo ago
    You and I are on different pages. From here in Canada, that occupation of the US Capitol was (and still is) a dark moment in history for me, and a signal of worse things to come. There is no hysteria in my opinion, and the way things have unraveled since is a clear demonstration of why the outcry and outrage was very well-founded. I also don't agree that extremists are particularly good at diagnosing problems. Instead, they tend to be confidently wrong in a way that's exceptionally compelling if you're emotionally vulnerable to their cause. This is why they rarely succeed in creating collective movements that involve broad cooperation and collective structures that can function and endure. They've misdiagnosed the issue, and they typically can't recruit people based on ideological merit, shared purposes, goals with clear outcomes, or other cohesive and productive substrates. They're more like cults and less like cooperative, coherent, purpose-driven organizations. Yarvin and his set fit squarely into this bucket. These people typically talk too much and don't actually do anything. It's because there's nothing _to_ do when your ideology is a nebulous, discordant, illogical, and emotional dump.
    - LAC-Tech 5mo ago
      I think you have a monolithic view of the US Right. 2016 Trump Admin is heavily populist, and his administration contains a lot of genuine political outsiders. People are very dis-satisfied, and genuinely excited about these "deplorables" shaking the establishment. 2024 Trump Admin is the establishment. Nearly textbook neocon, it's only innovation is its sophmoric conduct. To paraphrase Nietzsche... "if you drain the swamp too long, does not the swamp drain into you also?". Of course that assumes a draining attempt was made... regardless, it's populated almost entirely by those who were "never trumpers" during the first admin - including the Vice-President. As for the man himself...I do not seem him as a deep or long term thinker. He's cleary attached himself to any vehicle which brings him to power. The idea that he planned and master-minded some "insurrection" in 2021 that was supposed to install him as a dictator, and his current Swamp Creature administration is somehow a continuation of that, just lacks credibility. It was a populist outburst of supporters of the first populist admin.Disillusioned protestors occupying a building is not a viable way to topple regimes (indeed it failed to do so in Hong Kong a few years earlier). These things do not work without institutional and military support, and the left trying to make this out to be a serious threat played a big part in their loss of credibility. A final note - the famous picture of the Jan 6 guy with the painted face and viking horns? He is now staunchly against Trump. Remember Trump is an egotist and an opportunist, not an ideologue. He wouldn't know what to do with a coup if he tripped over it.

steve_adams_86 5mo ago

> He tries to pretend he's this subversive free thinker This is one of the greater ironies about him and the people who admire his writing and ideas. They have a tendency to be firmly connected to rails, incapable of reflection or deviation from the course they've chosen. Regardless of if the ideas are workable or remotely sound, they charge forward. I suppose most ideologies rooted in notions of subversion or free-thinking tend to suffer in similar ways. Any time you start to believe you've figured something out that others haven't, or that you're outside the confines of conventions, you're either a genius or very ignorant. None of these people are geniuses.

LAC-Tech 5mo ago
I was a fan of his at one point. I did enjoy him talking about the English Civil war and Glorious Revolution, the US War of Independence, etc etc. He introduced me to the "Whig View of History". And his substack post about the ludicrousness notion that the occupation of the US Capitol my a mob in 2021 was a serious attempt at a revolution/coup was a welcome antidote to the hysteria at the time. But the thing with Yarvin is - he's widely read, but if you dig deeper into any one thing, his reading is shallow. And like most extremists I have read (from communists to anarcho capitalists), he is pretty good at diagnosing problems but awful at proposing solutions.
- steve_adams_86 5mo ago
  You and I are on different pages. From here in Canada, that occupation of the US Capitol was (and still is) a dark moment in history for me, and a signal of worse things to come. There is no hysteria in my opinion, and the way things have unraveled since is a clear demonstration of why the outcry and outrage was very well-founded. I also don't agree that extremists are particularly good at diagnosing problems. Instead, they tend to be confidently wrong in a way that's exceptionally compelling if you're emotionally vulnerable to their cause. This is why they rarely succeed in creating collective movements that involve broad cooperation and collective structures that can function and endure. They've misdiagnosed the issue, and they typically can't recruit people based on ideological merit, shared purposes, goals with clear outcomes, or other cohesive and productive substrates. They're more like cults and less like cooperative, coherent, purpose-driven organizations. Yarvin and his set fit squarely into this bucket. These people typically talk too much and don't actually do anything. It's because there's nothing _to_ do when your ideology is a nebulous, discordant, illogical, and emotional dump.
  - LAC-Tech 5mo ago
    I think you have a monolithic view of the US Right. 2016 Trump Admin is heavily populist, and his administration contains a lot of genuine political outsiders. People are very dis-satisfied, and genuinely excited about these "deplorables" shaking the establishment. 2024 Trump Admin is the establishment. Nearly textbook neocon, it's only innovation is its sophmoric conduct. To paraphrase Nietzsche... "if you drain the swamp too long, does not the swamp drain into you also?". Of course that assumes a draining attempt was made... regardless, it's populated almost entirely by those who were "never trumpers" during the first admin - including the Vice-President. As for the man himself...I do not seem him as a deep or long term thinker. He's cleary attached himself to any vehicle which brings him to power. The idea that he planned and master-minded some "insurrection" in 2021 that was supposed to install him as a dictator, and his current Swamp Creature administration is somehow a continuation of that, just lacks credibility. It was a populist outburst of supporters of the first populist admin.Disillusioned protestors occupying a building is not a viable way to topple regimes (indeed it failed to do so in Hong Kong a few years earlier). These things do not work without institutional and military support, and the left trying to make this out to be a serious threat played a big part in their loss of credibility. A final note - the famous picture of the Jan 6 guy with the painted face and viking horns? He is now staunchly against Trump. Remember Trump is an egotist and an opportunist, not an ideologue. He wouldn't know what to do with a coup if he tripped over it.