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It’s good to know that Google search will essentially be useless for me moving forward.

by cebert 5mo ago

samat 5mo ago
Yeah, thank you Google for the heads up, will look for alternatives (tbh already abandoned Google long time ago, need to find a maps alternative with public transport and working hours, near impossible in small European towns, Apple Maps db here is a joke)
- Zambyte 5mo ago
  They should be provided by the transit system. I'm visiting The Netherlands for the first time right now. I learnes the hard way to use https://ns.nl https://ns.nl instead of Google Maps.
  - preuceian 5mo ago
    ns.nl is just for the trains, use 9292 for all public transit
    - Zambyte 5mo ago
      ns.nl supports all rail services, bus, ferry, biking, bike share, scooter share, walking, and even driving directions :)
      - preuceian 5mo ago
        I stand corrected. I did not know they offered this; has this always been the case?
- ireadmevs 5mo ago
  For public transportation I use an app called Moovit
rkagerer 5mo ago
Yeah, I've never been more motivated to switch to Kagi. Looking forward to greener pastures.
Quothling 5mo ago
I'm Danish so maybe that's part of it, but if I'm looking for something like kid's lunch boxes that aren't essentially from Temu resale sites I was already using LLM chat clients to find it. I can search for google and find nothing, or I can use a non-login on chatgpt and get several options. It found me some French made lunchboxes that are being made by a car company (I think it was renault but I honestly can't remember) while every result on google was basically temu resales by "companies" that were basically registered to some private adress here in Denmark. I guess I'm an early adopter, and I'm sure LLM's will be ruined by advertising and hidden algorithms, but right now, I really don't see the point of traditional search engines.
- watwut 5mo ago
  LLM search will be ruined the exactly same way, just faster. Google search used to be good, until the company concluded they will earn more money by making it crap. Then it took some time for it to get worst, bit by bit. With LLM, the same company will learn from previous experience and make it worst faster. It is exactly the same company, making exactly the same product (search), with exactly the same management and being subject of exactly the same market forces. The result will be exactly the same, they will just get there faster.
  - Quothling 5mo ago
    I doubt it'll be ruined the same way. It's already got features traditional search engines never really did for us in Europe. Every search engine will assume that I want to buy things from websites that are either in Danish or in English and even if I try to configure something like Google to understand that I'd rather buy from Germany or France than the UK it just doesn't seem to get it. With LLM's I can search for shops on all sorts of EU websites, which comes in rather handy when you're buying vintage blood bowl things since there are a lot of local "ebays" in Spain, Italy and similar that I'd never find without them. I have no doubt that Renault could pay ChatGPT to get it to recommend people buying lunch boxes. For all I know there might be a bunch of eco friendly "European produced" lunch boxes with compartments and the LLM recommended me the three which fit the needs I described because those companies paid for it. I didn't find any of them on Google though, that was all Temu resales.

It’s good to know that Google search will essentially be useless for me moving forward.

by cebert 5mo ago

It’s good to know that Google search will essentially be useless for me moving forward.

samat 5mo ago

Yeah, thank you Google for the heads up, will look for alternatives (tbh already abandoned Google long time ago, need to find a maps alternative with public transport and working hours, near impossible in small European towns, Apple Maps db here is a joke)

Zambyte 5mo ago
They should be provided by the transit system. I'm visiting The Netherlands for the first time right now. I learnes the hard way to use https://ns.nl https://ns.nl instead of Google Maps.
- preuceian 5mo ago
  ns.nl is just for the trains, use 9292 for all public transit
  - Zambyte 5mo ago
    ns.nl supports all rail services, bus, ferry, biking, bike share, scooter share, walking, and even driving directions :)
    - preuceian 5mo ago
      I stand corrected. I did not know they offered this; has this always been the case?
ireadmevs 5mo ago
For public transportation I use an app called Moovit

rkagerer 5mo ago

Yeah, I've never been more motivated to switch to Kagi. Looking forward to greener pastures.

Quothling 5mo ago

I'm Danish so maybe that's part of it, but if I'm looking for something like kid's lunch boxes that aren't essentially from Temu resale sites I was already using LLM chat clients to find it. I can search for google and find nothing, or I can use a non-login on chatgpt and get several options. It found me some French made lunchboxes that are being made by a car company (I think it was renault but I honestly can't remember) while every result on google was basically temu resales by "companies" that were basically registered to some private adress here in Denmark. I guess I'm an early adopter, and I'm sure LLM's will be ruined by advertising and hidden algorithms, but right now, I really don't see the point of traditional search engines.

watwut 5mo ago
LLM search will be ruined the exactly same way, just faster. Google search used to be good, until the company concluded they will earn more money by making it crap. Then it took some time for it to get worst, bit by bit. With LLM, the same company will learn from previous experience and make it worst faster. It is exactly the same company, making exactly the same product (search), with exactly the same management and being subject of exactly the same market forces. The result will be exactly the same, they will just get there faster.
- Quothling 5mo ago
  I doubt it'll be ruined the same way. It's already got features traditional search engines never really did for us in Europe. Every search engine will assume that I want to buy things from websites that are either in Danish or in English and even if I try to configure something like Google to understand that I'd rather buy from Germany or France than the UK it just doesn't seem to get it. With LLM's I can search for shops on all sorts of EU websites, which comes in rather handy when you're buying vintage blood bowl things since there are a lot of local "ebays" in Spain, Italy and similar that I'd never find without them. I have no doubt that Renault could pay ChatGPT to get it to recommend people buying lunch boxes. For all I know there might be a bunch of eco friendly "European produced" lunch boxes with compartments and the LLM recommended me the three which fit the needs I described because those companies paid for it. I didn't find any of them on Google though, that was all Temu resales.