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Yeah, I think we are at the point where copyright doesn't exist anymore, at least for AI

hectdev 5mo ago
All of human knowledge (an exaggeration, I know) at our finger tips. It's the most punk rock, anarchist thing tech has done since the internet and it's funny it's shaped as a product.
- ses1984 5mo ago
  If you get the impression of punk and anarchy, it's only because you're not looking any deeper than the veneer. Underneath, it's nothing like punk or anarchy.
  - hectdev 5mo ago
    I'm considering the dispersement of tech. 3D printers disrupt needing to buy widgets from big companies and local llms disrupt needing to buy generalize software when you can make your own bespoke. AI will live on long after the big corporations burn out their money coffers.
- account42 5mo ago
  Sure, a few mega-corporations of the scale to upset entire markets owning all information and renting it out as they see fit is very punk. A cyberpunk dystopia specifically.
  - hectdev 5mo ago
    If you consider the local llm scene which is closing the gaps, mega corporations become less possessive of all information.
- ux266478 5mo ago
  I think the most punk rock, anarchist thing that could happen is someone leverages the shitty, pre-digested consumer-facing models to orchestrate a cybersecurity incident where the frontier base models are stolen and freely distributed to the public.
  - hectdev 5mo ago
    The way the Chinese have been running inference against the US models is somewhat what you are saying.
- piloto_ciego 5mo ago
  This is what boggles my freaking mind, it's so cool that this is happening, and most of the people I thought were the cool anarcho-punks are falling on the side of copyright and more capitalism-colonizing the space of ideas. It's crazy! People cannot even envision a world that's not this transactional thing and it's really sad. In the post-scarcity world it's going to be really hard to reprogram these people. Wasn't there a Star Trek episode about this with a cryonics guy?
gspr 5mo ago
This is insane. How will any intellectual or artistic work be sustainable in this world? As a teenager I used to proclaim that "you can't own bits, maaaan" all the time. I've since grown up. Intellectual property is essential to safeguarding intellectual work. I'm not saying this out of greed – I'm a vocal advocate for the free software movement. It, too, relies on a semi-sane framework of intellectual property. So do Hollywood studios. So do the makers of AI (well, since they're not actually sustainable at all currently, I guess you can say they don't rely on anything).
- Bombthecat 5mo ago
  That's the neat part, you won't.
jaccola 5mo ago
What? If I want to read Harry Potter or watch The Matrix an AI cannot produce something equally as good for me. So I need to pay those people, or break the law. For lots of online knowledge/blogs I guess it is true but even here I often read explainer blogs because AI casts everything in a certain narrative/tone that isn’t always appropriate.
- cortesoft 5mo ago
  > If I want to read Harry Potter or watch The Matrix an AI cannot produce something equally as good for me. Yet

All of human knowledge (an exaggeration, I know) at our finger tips. It's the most punk rock, anarchist thing tech has done since the internet and it's funny it's shaped as a product.

ses1984 5mo ago
If you get the impression of punk and anarchy, it's only because you're not looking any deeper than the veneer. Underneath, it's nothing like punk or anarchy.
- hectdev 5mo ago
  I'm considering the dispersement of tech. 3D printers disrupt needing to buy widgets from big companies and local llms disrupt needing to buy generalize software when you can make your own bespoke. AI will live on long after the big corporations burn out their money coffers.
account42 5mo ago
Sure, a few mega-corporations of the scale to upset entire markets owning all information and renting it out as they see fit is very punk. A cyberpunk dystopia specifically.
- hectdev 5mo ago
  If you consider the local llm scene which is closing the gaps, mega corporations become less possessive of all information.
ux266478 5mo ago
I think the most punk rock, anarchist thing that could happen is someone leverages the shitty, pre-digested consumer-facing models to orchestrate a cybersecurity incident where the frontier base models are stolen and freely distributed to the public.
- hectdev 5mo ago
  The way the Chinese have been running inference against the US models is somewhat what you are saying.
piloto_ciego 5mo ago
This is what boggles my freaking mind, it's so cool that this is happening, and most of the people I thought were the cool anarcho-punks are falling on the side of copyright and more capitalism-colonizing the space of ideas. It's crazy! People cannot even envision a world that's not this transactional thing and it's really sad. In the post-scarcity world it's going to be really hard to reprogram these people. Wasn't there a Star Trek episode about this with a cryonics guy?

gspr 5mo ago

This is insane. How will any intellectual or artistic work be sustainable in this world? As a teenager I used to proclaim that "you can't own bits, maaaan" all the time. I've since grown up. Intellectual property is essential to safeguarding intellectual work. I'm not saying this out of greed – I'm a vocal advocate for the free software movement. It, too, relies on a semi-sane framework of intellectual property. So do Hollywood studios. So do the makers of AI (well, since they're not actually sustainable at all currently, I guess you can say they don't rely on anything).

Bombthecat 5mo ago
That's the neat part, you won't.

jaccola 5mo ago

What? If I want to read Harry Potter or watch The Matrix an AI cannot produce something equally as good for me. So I need to pay those people, or break the law. For lots of online knowledge/blogs I guess it is true but even here I often read explainer blogs because AI casts everything in a certain narrative/tone that isn’t always appropriate.

cortesoft 5mo ago
> If I want to read Harry Potter or watch The Matrix an AI cannot produce something equally as good for me. Yet