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> To recommend people to suck it up is not the answer I wish in the society I want to live in. Funny that AI is the breaking point here instead of things that

by elpocko 5mo ago

> To recommend people to suck it up is not the answer I wish in the society I want to live in. Funny that AI is the breaking point here instead of things that actually matter. It's perfectly fine to tell people to suck it up on a huge number of more important issues.

swiftcoder 5mo ago
> Funny that AI is the breaking point here instead of things that actually matter Nah, it's just one with high relevance to a tech audience. We say similar things around here re ubiquitous surveillance tech, internet censorship by governments / payment processors, the effects of social media...
miltonlost 5mo ago
AI proponents are saying it will take away all knowledge jobs. How is being permanently unemployed something that doesn't matter?
goda90 5mo ago
Things that actually matter have been teetering on the edge because of the simple fact that labor has been needed to make money and money is power. If AI takes away the last leverage of labor, then things that actually matter will collapse entirely.
miyoji 5mo ago
> It's perfectly fine to tell people to suck it up on a huge number of more important issues. No, it isn't. If you think it's "perfectly fine" to dismiss people's legitimate concerns and complaints by telling them to "suck it up", the problem is that you're an asshole, not that AI is unimportant or whatever it is you're trying to imply.
- logicchains 5mo ago
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- elpocko 5mo ago
  > dismiss people's legitimate concerns Ignoring your rudeness, the word "legitimate" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. It would take me one second to present you with an issue that concerns me, that will make you say "suck it up" because you don't consider it a legit issue, and I would end up being the asshole in the exchange.
  - miyoji 5mo ago
    You don't know me.
    - elpocko 5mo ago
      Great response, huge respect from my side.
  - darkwater 5mo ago
    > It would take me one second to present you with an issue that concerns me Does this hypothetical issue concern you AND the rest of society as a whole as well, or just you? Because there is a big difference between the two cases.
    - elpocko 5mo ago
      How many people do you require for it to be a legitmate concern? I can show you millions but you will disregard them anyway, because they all have wrong opinions.
      - darkwater 5mo ago
        I don't know where to draw the line entirely, it probably depends on a mixture of absolute numbers, relative numbers to the population involved in the discussion and the issue discussed. But it's clear that in this AI discussion case, telling "suck it up" to all the people complaining it's rude.
PotatoPrime 5mo ago
Could you give an example of an issue we tell people to suck it up about? I'd like to think a reasonable society would hear the worries and complaints of everyone within it.

by elpocko 5mo ago

swiftcoder 5mo ago

> Funny that AI is the breaking point here instead of things that actually matter Nah, it's just one with high relevance to a tech audience. We say similar things around here re ubiquitous surveillance tech, internet censorship by governments / payment processors, the effects of social media...

miltonlost 5mo ago

AI proponents are saying it will take away all knowledge jobs. How is being permanently unemployed something that doesn't matter?

goda90 5mo ago

Things that actually matter have been teetering on the edge because of the simple fact that labor has been needed to make money and money is power. If AI takes away the last leverage of labor, then things that actually matter will collapse entirely.

miyoji 5mo ago

> It's perfectly fine to tell people to suck it up on a huge number of more important issues. No, it isn't. If you think it's "perfectly fine" to dismiss people's legitimate concerns and complaints by telling them to "suck it up", the problem is that you're an asshole, not that AI is unimportant or whatever it is you're trying to imply.

logicchains 5mo ago
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elpocko 5mo ago
> dismiss people's legitimate concerns Ignoring your rudeness, the word "legitimate" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. It would take me one second to present you with an issue that concerns me, that will make you say "suck it up" because you don't consider it a legit issue, and I would end up being the asshole in the exchange.
- miyoji 5mo ago
  You don't know me.
  - elpocko 5mo ago
    Great response, huge respect from my side.
- darkwater 5mo ago
  > It would take me one second to present you with an issue that concerns me Does this hypothetical issue concern you AND the rest of society as a whole as well, or just you? Because there is a big difference between the two cases.
  - elpocko 5mo ago
    How many people do you require for it to be a legitmate concern? I can show you millions but you will disregard them anyway, because they all have wrong opinions.
    - darkwater 5mo ago
      I don't know where to draw the line entirely, it probably depends on a mixture of absolute numbers, relative numbers to the population involved in the discussion and the issue discussed. But it's clear that in this AI discussion case, telling "suck it up" to all the people complaining it's rude.

PotatoPrime 5mo ago

Could you give an example of an issue we tell people to suck it up about? I'd like to think a reasonable society would hear the worries and complaints of everyone within it.