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> Create a logical information hierarchy using headings, section dividers, lists for items (numbered for ordered steps, bulleted for others), and tables for com
by andai 6mo ago
> Create a logical information hierarchy using headings, section dividers, lists for items (numbered for ordered steps, bulleted for others), and tables for comparisons.
When Gemini Pro came out about a year ago (I forget which version number), the reasoning was visible.
The reasoning was extremely useful. It would capture the logical structure of the whole problem space.
I found it incredibly valuable and actually more readable than the "human friendly" final output. (A massive blob of prose.)
I was very sad when they removed it.
- alansaber 6mo agoYes, massive blob of prose is definitely the meta now. You can still get hierarchical data representation if you ask explicitly but they're converging on user patterns I guess.
- cubefox 6mo agoI agree, it was very useful, also because the final response often omitted details that were acknowledged in the CoT. Though I think DeepSeek might still show the reasoning trace.
- CommieBobDole 6mo agoWas it the actual raw chain-of-thought? I know GPT-5 will emit thinking tokens, and while they're an interesting insight into the 'reasoning' process, they're apparently pretty heavily sanitized presumably because the raw thoughts could reveal proprietary training info that's part of their moat.
- andai 6mo agoI think so. They switched it to the vague summaries later, like everyone else.
- carterschonwald 6mo agoin my llm agent harness code i force all streamed reasoning to be turned into specially formatted visible to everyoneb msg blocks. it really does a nice job of fixing that while not caring about which provider for what edit: pretty sure full cot is always available via api.