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Cool, but I think they're holding themselves back with that weird form-factor. I would've preferred if they'd included a full QWERTY keyboard, like the the GPD
by d3Xt3r 5mo ago
Cool, but I think they're holding themselves back with that weird form-factor. I would've preferred if they'd included a full QWERTY keyboard, like the the GPD Pocket 4[1] or the GPD Win Mini. With a proper keyboard, I could write code on the go, easily edit files, navigate a terminal and mess with things... and do so much more in general.
Also, 8GB RAM is barely enough these days, whereas the GPD comes with upto 64GB RAM - and an X86 CPU too, which means you can run your favorite Linux distro and all your apps without any compatibility issues.
I really don't see a reason why I should buy the Flipper One.
https://gpdstore.net/gpd-pocket-4/ https://gpdstore.net/gpd-pocket-4/
- swaits 5mo agoHere is an alternative that I think has real potential: https://m5stack.com/cardputerzero https://m5stack.com/cardputerzero
- anonzzzies 5mo agoNice but zero blobs/everything open? As that's the main interesting part here; full, no binary blobs, open docs/code ...
- moralestapia 5mo agoThe main interesting part for me is that the cardputer is real, but I do understand people getting excited by landing pages.
- embedding-shape 5mo agoI dunno, I loved the form factor of Flipper Zero, with the addition of a PTT and a more rugged design, this is quite literally an instant buy for me. It has sufficient connectivity that it'd be trivial to bring your own keyboard, in whatever size you'd like, and I'm surely not alone in not wanting a static keyboard attached to the device as I'd never have any use for it, the Flipper (in my view) is a portable device you use for enumerating and executing, but everything else I do on my desktop transferring data to/from the Flipper. I'm also not sure what I'd do with more than 8GB of RAM, I could literally run my entire OS + dekstop environment + the current applications I have open on my workstation desktop right now with that, and still have room to spare.
- NeckBeardPrince 5mo agoI don’t think the Flipper market is trying to compete with devices like this.
- archargelod 5mo agoWhat is the flipper market, anyway? I can only think of script-kiddies pwning neighbours wi-fi router and computer nerds buying it as a toy.
- aa-jv 5mo agopwnagotchi makes a pretty bad-ass portable linux system that can be used for development when its not crunching wifi ..
- d3Xt3r 5mo agoIf you're strictly taking about the Zero, I'd agree with you, but with the One they're entering a new market. I mean, kind of people who like to mess around with Linux and do hacker-y network-y things are also generally the kind of people who would prefer to use a keyboard, the kind who would love the extra hardware grunt to speed up tools like hashcat. And of course, the One will be cheaper than a full-fledged x86 handheld, but if you're willing to spend a bit more, you can do so so much more - it becomes a more practical device.
- rrvsh 5mo agoFrom the FlipCTL description, I'm surmising the intended use case is this as a cyberdeck aka using it for external tasks, vs. hacking on it at home with your actual keyboard. For example you make a config for X task at home and perform X task on the go. I do not see any indication that this is meant to be a primary device
- d3Xt3r 5mo agoI'm not saying it's meant to be a primary device. I'm simply saying that just adding a keyboard adds a huge quality of life improvement, and the bigger size allows you to pack in more power whilst still being pocketable and portable. Remember the "easy money" scene from Terminator 2[1]? Ever since I watched that as a kid, that form-factor has been my dream cyberdeck. As I grew older, I went on to own the HTC TyTN and the Nokia N900 - and loved them to bits - but I always felt constrained because of the ARM architecture and low specs. Like, you couldn't realistically brute-force any decent complexity passwords back then, and I bet the neither can the Flipper One with today's passwords. After being bitten by the various limitations of compact ARM devices, I wanted to get my hands on one of those OQO pocket PCs that ran a full-fledged Windows XP, but never managed to try out. Also missed out on the Sony VAIO P-series. So when the first GPD Pocket came out, I jumped on to it straight away even though it was from some random unheard of company at the time. And I loved it, and haven't looked back since then. I finally had a decent, proper computer in my pocket. So for me, a keyboard would be a bare minimum on a cyberdeck, and if it's got oodles of RAM and compute, that's even better. And the newer GPDs have also been able to play AAA games on the go, like Cyberpunk 2077, and I think that is super cool. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB82FNPoiPM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB82FNPoiPM
- dpoloncsak 5mo agoThe product you’re suggesting is $1400, where as the zero sold for a 1/8 of that. Do we expect the Flipper One to have such a price hike as well?
- embedding-shape 5mo agoNot to mention you'd need REALLY large and durable pants/shorts pockets to fit a 27cm X 5cm X 20cm device that weights more than 1.5kg (yes, kilos!) compared to what the Flipper One will end up being.
- d3Xt3r 5mo agoI have the GPD Win Mini and it fits fine in my cargo pant pockets.
- rrvsh 5mo agoHow many people wear cargo pants or would be willing to switch to wearing them to carry a GPD Win Mini around vs. how many people would prefer a device that fits in any of their pockets? Look at the market share of phones vs GPD Wins and you'll have your answer
- d3Xt3r 5mo agoPhones are primarily communication devices though, so they're not a fair comparison. As for cargo pants, that's usually what I wear (along with cargo shorts during summer) so I don't really see it as a problem - they're big, they're comfy, they've got big pockets - what more could a hcaker ask for? I mean, can you even call yourself a hacker if you always wear skinny jeans? Where/how would you carry all your essential gadgets?
- rrvsh 5mo agoAre we gatekeeping being a hacker based on wearing cargo pants now? Such a weird point to take a stand on Phones have not been communication devices for a decade unless you want to extend the definition to social media and media consumption, in which case there would be little reason not to extend it to also cover what the Flipper One purports to support - not much of that is not covered by a phone
- fsflover 5mo agoHave you considered Pinephone with the keyboard?
- crimsonnoodle58 5mo agoSurely you've seen the price of 64GB of RAM lately?
- kylecazar 5mo agoThe form factor is indeed strange. It reminds me of an N-Gage if they had a "rugged"/durable version that was made for construction sites.
- lxgr 5mo agoToday, I think so too, but I think they're onto something with the idea of a PTT-like local LLM interface. With 2-3 orders of magnitude more local inference power, I could really see this work out! "Hey Flipper, log onto Wi-Fi SSID FooBarAir, pick the free "messaging only" plan, and set up an IP-over-WhatsApp proxy exposed over the second, encrypted SSID" :)
- Gigachad 5mo agoThe thing has a 2 color display. 8gb is massively overkill. Theres not much you could do on this that would even need 2 gb.
- mr_machine 5mo agoGPD already makes such things, as does ClockworkPi. The Flipper One is exciting in significant part because it offers a different, smaller form factor.
- matheusmoreira 5mo agoWish there were better options than those... Other than the uConsole, handheld computers with thumb keyboards seem to be in the category of literally handmade cyberdecks. https://hackaday.io/project/202522-cyberdeck-handheld https://hackaday.io/project/202522-cyberdeck-handheld https://youtu.be/u8kYHgKKhjY https://youtu.be/u8kYHgKKhjY https://youtu.be/IB5OJr_MimQ https://youtu.be/IB5OJr_MimQ Trying to make my own too. Ordered some prototype keyboard PCBs. No idea if I'll get anywhere but I'll try.
- ololobus 5mo agoIdk, with the One they already seem to try to claim too many things for a single device. Adding a keyboard and a bigger screen will be even bigger scope creep. As a Zero user, I really like the compact form-factor And just personal imo, for coding on the go something like macbook air seems to be a way more comfortable option. I know that you wrote that you fit gpd in you pants, but man, you know that this use case is even more niche than flipper zero
- matheusmoreira 5mo agoThat GPD seems nice but it's not exactly a handheld.
- d3Xt3r 5mo agoThere's also the Mini version which is handheld. Doesn't have the modular ports and RS232 etc though.