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> but virtually impossible to block the text itself Why do you believe so? As long as there is a clear indication somewhere on the webpage (in the metadata or

> but virtually impossible to block the text itself Why do you believe so? As long as there is a clear indication somewhere on the webpage (in the metadata or in the text itself) that a specific portion of a text is an ad, a browser extension will be able to block it. And I assume that there are laws mandating that the ads must be clearly marked in order to be distinguishable from the genuine content.

hootz 5mo ago
That's only doable if the ads are artificially injected. But what if they are part of the training, system prompt or the search results that are fed to the AI? What if Google Search bumps up their paying advertiser up in the internal search results for Gemini (as they are basically already doing)? The AI will be biased towards the advertisers without literally embedding an ad into the output text.
- pbasista 5mo ago
  > if they are part of the training That would be an intentional poisoning of the models with biased or outright untruthful data. I believe that many people would be unwilling to use such models.
  - hootz 5mo ago
    They won't be if the models are "free", which is the case for AI Mode in Google Search. That's why common people still use Google despite it being an ad-ridden slopfest, it's "free"!
- HWR_14 5mo ago
  > what if they are part of the training No way Google is going to bake the ads into training data. Their entire business is built on auctioning off each ad slot in realtime.
creationcomplex 5mo ago
The law will not be updated or enforced. Laws don't reflect justice, they reflect the power relations in the society at the time the law was written. Big tech is paying handsomely for this, and I don't think the populace is going to outbribe them.
yread 5mo ago
It's just gonna say "this whole thing might be a big ad" and they will fight the fines in court for years, lose and book those fines as cost of doing business while laughing all the way to the bank

hootz 5mo ago

That's only doable if the ads are artificially injected. But what if they are part of the training, system prompt or the search results that are fed to the AI? What if Google Search bumps up their paying advertiser up in the internal search results for Gemini (as they are basically already doing)? The AI will be biased towards the advertisers without literally embedding an ad into the output text.

pbasista 5mo ago
> if they are part of the training That would be an intentional poisoning of the models with biased or outright untruthful data. I believe that many people would be unwilling to use such models.
- hootz 5mo ago
  They won't be if the models are "free", which is the case for AI Mode in Google Search. That's why common people still use Google despite it being an ad-ridden slopfest, it's "free"!
HWR_14 5mo ago
> what if they are part of the training No way Google is going to bake the ads into training data. Their entire business is built on auctioning off each ad slot in realtime.

creationcomplex 5mo ago

The law will not be updated or enforced. Laws don't reflect justice, they reflect the power relations in the society at the time the law was written. Big tech is paying handsomely for this, and I don't think the populace is going to outbribe them.

yread 5mo ago

It's just gonna say "this whole thing might be a big ad" and they will fight the fines in court for years, lose and book those fines as cost of doing business while laughing all the way to the bank