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Kind of curious how it would pan out, if there was a government enforced meta tag one could add to signal what the data could be used for - for example “no-ai”.

by xmcp123 5mo ago

Kind of curious how it would pan out, if there was a government enforced meta tag one could add to signal what the data could be used for - for example “no-ai”. That would allow people to still let Google to access their site, but restrict its usage. Similar for open source projects on GitHub, etc.

kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 5mo ago
> government enforced The thing everyone needs to ask before advocating for something "government enforced" is "what would happen if this was in the hands of a hostile government?" And then remember that (a) just because it's not hostile to you today, doesn't mean it won't be tomorrow, and (b) one man's "hostile" is another man's "utopia."
- xmcp123 5mo ago
  Well, when I said “I’m curious” it was true. I’m actually curious. So how do you think a meta noai tag would be used by a hostile government? It would be something the website owner set.
  - xp84 5mo ago
    Step 1: Be really lax in enforcing compliance with it so that nobody complies with it. Step 2: Abruptly switch to iron-fist enforcement where suddenly people get jail time for violations, but only for entities that have been critical of the government. This is by no means the only or most likely way, just what I could come up with in 30 seconds. There may be much better "evil government" strategies.
- mjrpes 5mo ago
  The thing everyone needs to ask before advocating for laissez faire is "what does a hostile and monopolistic search engine giant like Google gain from us doing nothing?" And then remember that just because Google is not hostile to you today, doesn't mean it won't be tomorrow.
  - xmcp123 5mo ago
    It seems pretty obvious that they are hostile
afavour 5mo ago
The tech giants already violated existing copyright laws when scraping for AI content and faced very few consequences. So far the government has shown an inability to enforce anything.
- xmcp123 5mo ago
  So far, yeah. The courts shrugged and said it was allowed under current law. So the solution to that would be “change the law”.
- fc417fc802 5mo ago
  > inability Unwillingness. The government (at least in the US) appears to be happy with the status quo because competitive AI is viewed as a strategic necessity.
  - xmcp123 5mo ago
    Honestly I think they’re mostly just distracted. Any other administration this would be a tier 1 priority. Not knee capping AI, but acknowledging the changes that are coming and figuring out how to mitigate the damage.

by xmcp123 5mo ago

kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 5mo ago

> government enforced The thing everyone needs to ask before advocating for something "government enforced" is "what would happen if this was in the hands of a hostile government?" And then remember that (a) just because it's not hostile to you today, doesn't mean it won't be tomorrow, and (b) one man's "hostile" is another man's "utopia."

xmcp123 5mo ago
Well, when I said “I’m curious” it was true. I’m actually curious. So how do you think a meta noai tag would be used by a hostile government? It would be something the website owner set.
- xp84 5mo ago
  Step 1: Be really lax in enforcing compliance with it so that nobody complies with it. Step 2: Abruptly switch to iron-fist enforcement where suddenly people get jail time for violations, but only for entities that have been critical of the government. This is by no means the only or most likely way, just what I could come up with in 30 seconds. There may be much better "evil government" strategies.
mjrpes 5mo ago
The thing everyone needs to ask before advocating for laissez faire is "what does a hostile and monopolistic search engine giant like Google gain from us doing nothing?" And then remember that just because Google is not hostile to you today, doesn't mean it won't be tomorrow.
- xmcp123 5mo ago
  It seems pretty obvious that they are hostile

afavour 5mo ago

The tech giants already violated existing copyright laws when scraping for AI content and faced very few consequences. So far the government has shown an inability to enforce anything.

xmcp123 5mo ago
So far, yeah. The courts shrugged and said it was allowed under current law. So the solution to that would be “change the law”.
fc417fc802 5mo ago
> inability Unwillingness. The government (at least in the US) appears to be happy with the status quo because competitive AI is viewed as a strategic necessity.
- xmcp123 5mo ago
  Honestly I think they’re mostly just distracted. Any other administration this would be a tier 1 priority. Not knee capping AI, but acknowledging the changes that are coming and figuring out how to mitigate the damage.