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what I've been trying to convey to you here with ROT13 analogy is that we're better off knowing that something is broken. ROT13 is a piece of shit, and so is Sy

what I've been trying to convey to you here with ROT13 analogy is that we're better off knowing that something is broken. ROT13 is a piece of shit, and so is SynthID. whether the author's intentions were noble or malicious is utterly irrelevant.

Planktonne 5mo ago
> we're better off knowing that something is broken This is not a new insight, and it doesn't add anything to the discussion. It's effectively a platitude. This project is absolutely not motivated by a wish to inform, and it's disingenuous to prevaricate around that; there are countless ways to inform that don't endorse.
- b65e8bee43c2ed0 5mo ago
  there is no discussion. your opinion on the matter is irrelevant, same as mine. genai will be misused in every way imaginable, and there's nothing anyone can do about this. no regulations, no laws, nothing will stop it now. for fuck's sake, Photoshop existed for how many years now? you would be a fool to trust any random photo to be genuine at any point in time. yes, yes, yes, back then only the people who had spent a few days learning it could do it, and now everyone can. that makes no difference whatsoever.
  - Planktonne 5mo ago
    None of that is relevant to the conversation; it is genuinely like you are pasting from a random discussion a decade ago. We're not talking about Photoshop, because it's not a parallel here. We're not talking about trust in authenticity. These are points you have plucked from the ether. Please reread my earlier comments.
    - b65e8bee43c2ed0 5mo ago
      it is very much relevant to the conversation because your assertion about this tool being harmful and unethical is rooted in your misguided belief that generative fakes that can fool a grandma on facebook are somehow worse than man-made fakes that can fool anyone.

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what I've been trying to convey to you here with ROT13 analogy is that we're better off knowing that something is broken. ROT13 is a piece of shit, and so is Sy

by b65e8bee43c2ed0 5mo ago

Planktonne 5mo ago
> we're better off knowing that something is broken This is not a new insight, and it doesn't add anything to the discussion. It's effectively a platitude. This project is absolutely not motivated by a wish to inform, and it's disingenuous to prevaricate around that; there are countless ways to inform that don't endorse.
- b65e8bee43c2ed0 5mo ago
  there is no discussion. your opinion on the matter is irrelevant, same as mine. genai will be misused in every way imaginable, and there's nothing anyone can do about this. no regulations, no laws, nothing will stop it now. for fuck's sake, Photoshop existed for how many years now? you would be a fool to trust any random photo to be genuine at any point in time. yes, yes, yes, back then only the people who had spent a few days learning it could do it, and now everyone can. that makes no difference whatsoever.
  - Planktonne 5mo ago
    None of that is relevant to the conversation; it is genuinely like you are pasting from a random discussion a decade ago. We're not talking about Photoshop, because it's not a parallel here. We're not talking about trust in authenticity. These are points you have plucked from the ether. Please reread my earlier comments.
    - b65e8bee43c2ed0 5mo ago
      it is very much relevant to the conversation because your assertion about this tool being harmful and unethical is rooted in your misguided belief that generative fakes that can fool a grandma on facebook are somehow worse than man-made fakes that can fool anyone.