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This distinction doesn't make sense. A police officer's job is to lie to you. Are we expecting jailtime for doing their job?
by sidewndr46 5mo ago
This distinction doesn't make sense. A police officer's job is to lie to you. Are we expecting jailtime for doing their job?
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- MSFT_Edging 5mo agoThen it shouldn't be a crime to lie to the officer. I genuinely don't think certain charges relating to preserving one's freedom should even be a crime in of it self. Unless you endanger others in an extreme manner, things like "resisting arrest", running from police, or attempting to escape prison shouldn't be charges within themselves. People love the phrase "you can beat the rap, not the ride", but that essentially gives broad power to harass and damage one's life without recourse sans extremely expensive legal routes. In this example, a man lost his freedom for 37 days over a bogus charge and was paid by the taxpayers to essentially shut up.
- breezybottom 5mo agoIt's not. You might be thinking of perjury, which is lying under oath.
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- FireBeyond 5mo agoI believe in certain Scandinavian or northern European countries, there is no crime or additional punishmented meted out for attempting to or escaping from prison, as "the desire to be free is inherently human". You will be looked for, and retrieved and returned, to be sure, but you won't then be charged with escaping from custody.
- MSFT_Edging 5mo agoI learned about that years ago and really internalized it.
- TimTheTinker 5mo ago> A police officer's job is to lie to you Federal statute should categorize that as a fireable offense and an intentional tort incurring punitive damages at minimum, and any subsequent proceedings (after the lie) as inadmissible evidence. If that makes investigation more difficult, then so be it. For too long, law enforcement and federal investigators have relied on inappropriate and immoral techniques to obtain conviction. Mass surveillance, warrantless wiretapping, manipulating suspects -- what happened to old-school investigation that was after truth via smart observation and deduction? There's a reason people love watching Poirot: it's a (admittedly stylized) snapshot of real justice in progress. Their expected standard of behavior should be higher than that of citizens.
- wat10000 5mo agoHow is it their job to lie to me?
- mjh2539 5mo agoWhen trying to obtain evidence, investigators or regular officers will make frequent recourse to lies and intimidation to get you to admit to things that you may or may not have done. For example, "If you don't tell us where you were that day, CPS will take your kids away" or "Look, if you just admit what you did, we can let you go" or "We've already detained your wife/brother/mother/father and they've fessed up; just yadayada."
- wat10000 5mo agoI'm well aware of when they will lie, but it's a choice, not an inherent part of the job.
- sidewndr46 5mo agoThere is no law prohibiting a police department from requiring their officers to lie to you. It absolutely can be part of the job.
- wat10000 5mo agoThe claim was not that it can be part of the job. The claim was “A police officer's job is to lie to you.”
- jrflowers 5mo agoPolice are trained to lie to you in the course of investigation so “they could choose not to do their job (by conducting an investigation)” doesn’t refute the notion that it’s their job to lie to you, it affirms it. It’s like saying “it’s not cops’ job to lie to you, some of them are dogs whose entire job is sniffing out cocaine with their extraordinary sense of smell”
- autoexec 5mo ago> A police officer's job is to lie to you. No it isn't. Their job is to enforce the law. The only time it's reasonable for an officer to lie is when they're engaged in authorized undercover operations.