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Brazil is on the West, fyi.

by moralestapia 5mo ago

dragontamer 5mo ago
The new alignment isnt East vs West... But North vs Global South, which Brazil sees itself a part of the South.
- moralestapia 5mo ago
  ??? Wrong thread? The comment I see reads like this: "That sounds a little authoritarian for many Western countries, I imagine."
  - Nerwesta 5mo ago
    Yeah the concept of "Western" is a relic of the Cold war, just like Western Europe / Eastern Europe ( past some countries being genuinely there ) It's still taught like that to younger people, but definitely shouldn't.
- dvfjsdhgfv 5mo ago
  > The new alignment isnt East vs West... But North vs Global South, which Brazil sees itself a part of the South. Where's Russia and Australia then?
  - dragontamer 5mo ago
    And Cuba was in the West during the Cold war. We knew what East vs West meant, it's more a figurative phrase than anything. Today's alignment is shaping up to be North and South. Not quite 'versus' like the Cold war was.
surgical_fire 5mo ago
West is just the US nowadays.
- Filligree 5mo ago
  I would say West is Europe, Japan and a few others. But I think I need a new word for that one.
  - surgical_fire 5mo ago
    Ehh, I live in Europe. Moving forward I don't think it makes sense to bundle it with the US, who is like the biggest threat to the EU, considering the past few years.
    - Nerwesta 5mo ago
      That was said exactly when that guy first came years ago. I'll bet my money ( via Wero or not ) the whole movement will be shattered by an " European-friendly " governement. Perhaps private companies will still retain a bad sentiment, who knows, everything else will be business as usual.
      - surgical_fire 5mo ago
        I don't know. Things feel meaningfully different this time around.
  - philipallstar 5mo ago
    The West is UK, Western Europe, Australia, Canada, US, Scandinavia. I agree that Japan is a really interesting one that shares a lot with the West, but doesn't have the same cultural roots. I wouldn't be opposed if they wanted to be counted as part of the West, but I don't know if they would.
gloosx 5mo ago
on the West of what? Culturally and historically it's a Western country, yes, but politically and economically it's an Eastern country – founding member of BRICS and a developing economy. I think the author of the parent comment used "Western" term referring to ideological and economic grouping
- bee_rider 5mo ago
  I think the idea of what’s authoritarian sounding is more of a cultural/historical/ideological distinction, not something that would naturally map to an economic label like BRICS. Also Western and Eastern are just labels in this context, not opposite directions, even if Brazil was “not Western” in some way, it wouldn’t make sense to call it Eastern.
- aipatselarom 5mo ago
  >on the West of what? On the West of every single country in Europe, to start with. Don't take this the wrong way, but have you looked at a world map? I ask since a significant chunk of people from the US cannot find Mexico on a map ... Aside from its very evident geographic location, Brazil was the site of the first lasting European colony in the Americas established by Portugal. People in Brazil speak Portuguese[1], a Romance language derived from Latin and closely related to Spanish, French and Italian. The genetic lineages most commonly found within the Brazilian population include Portuguese, Spanish, French, Italian, Dutch, German, and to a much lesser degree but still significant, Lebanese and Turkish [2]. The top countries whose citizens visit Brazil as tourists are overwhelmingly from the Americas and Europe: Argentina, the USA, Chile, Paraguay, Uruguay, France, Portugal, Germany, Italy and the UK. Likewise, when Brazilians travel abroad, their main destinations are Argentina, the USA, Chile, Portugal, France, Italy, Uruguay, the Caribbean, Spain and the UK. Share of exports to Asia: ~41% Share of exports to the Americas and Europe combined: ~47% Share of imports from Asia: ~43% Share of imports from the Americas and Europe combined: ~50% How could one reach the conclussion that Brazil is an "Eastern" country? Oh yeah, they joined a trade organization with China and Russia ... sure, they must be Eastern now. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_language 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_Brazil https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_Brazil

Brazil is on the West, fyi.

dragontamer 5mo ago

The new alignment isnt East vs West... But North vs Global South, which Brazil sees itself a part of the South.

moralestapia 5mo ago
??? Wrong thread? The comment I see reads like this: "That sounds a little authoritarian for many Western countries, I imagine."
- Nerwesta 5mo ago
  Yeah the concept of "Western" is a relic of the Cold war, just like Western Europe / Eastern Europe ( past some countries being genuinely there ) It's still taught like that to younger people, but definitely shouldn't.
dvfjsdhgfv 5mo ago
> The new alignment isnt East vs West... But North vs Global South, which Brazil sees itself a part of the South. Where's Russia and Australia then?
- dragontamer 5mo ago
  And Cuba was in the West during the Cold war. We knew what East vs West meant, it's more a figurative phrase than anything. Today's alignment is shaping up to be North and South. Not quite 'versus' like the Cold war was.

surgical_fire 5mo ago

West is just the US nowadays.

Filligree 5mo ago
I would say West is Europe, Japan and a few others. But I think I need a new word for that one.
- surgical_fire 5mo ago
  Ehh, I live in Europe. Moving forward I don't think it makes sense to bundle it with the US, who is like the biggest threat to the EU, considering the past few years.
  - Nerwesta 5mo ago
    That was said exactly when that guy first came years ago. I'll bet my money ( via Wero or not ) the whole movement will be shattered by an " European-friendly " governement. Perhaps private companies will still retain a bad sentiment, who knows, everything else will be business as usual.
    - surgical_fire 5mo ago
      I don't know. Things feel meaningfully different this time around.
- philipallstar 5mo ago
  The West is UK, Western Europe, Australia, Canada, US, Scandinavia. I agree that Japan is a really interesting one that shares a lot with the West, but doesn't have the same cultural roots. I wouldn't be opposed if they wanted to be counted as part of the West, but I don't know if they would.

gloosx 5mo ago

on the West of what? Culturally and historically it's a Western country, yes, but politically and economically it's an Eastern country – founding member of BRICS and a developing economy. I think the author of the parent comment used "Western" term referring to ideological and economic grouping

bee_rider 5mo ago
I think the idea of what’s authoritarian sounding is more of a cultural/historical/ideological distinction, not something that would naturally map to an economic label like BRICS. Also Western and Eastern are just labels in this context, not opposite directions, even if Brazil was “not Western” in some way, it wouldn’t make sense to call it Eastern.
aipatselarom 5mo ago
>on the West of what? On the West of every single country in Europe, to start with. Don't take this the wrong way, but have you looked at a world map? I ask since a significant chunk of people from the US cannot find Mexico on a map ... Aside from its very evident geographic location, Brazil was the site of the first lasting European colony in the Americas established by Portugal. People in Brazil speak Portuguese[1], a Romance language derived from Latin and closely related to Spanish, French and Italian. The genetic lineages most commonly found within the Brazilian population include Portuguese, Spanish, French, Italian, Dutch, German, and to a much lesser degree but still significant, Lebanese and Turkish [2]. The top countries whose citizens visit Brazil as tourists are overwhelmingly from the Americas and Europe: Argentina, the USA, Chile, Paraguay, Uruguay, France, Portugal, Germany, Italy and the UK. Likewise, when Brazilians travel abroad, their main destinations are Argentina, the USA, Chile, Portugal, France, Italy, Uruguay, the Caribbean, Spain and the UK. Share of exports to Asia: ~41% Share of exports to the Americas and Europe combined: ~47% Share of imports from Asia: ~43% Share of imports from the Americas and Europe combined: ~50% How could one reach the conclussion that Brazil is an "Eastern" country? Oh yeah, they joined a trade organization with China and Russia ... sure, they must be Eastern now. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_language 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_Brazil https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_Brazil