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Who cares at this point. Nothing has ever managed to unite Europeans as effectively as the orange man’s unrelenting torrent of temper tantrums over the past yea

Who cares at this point. Nothing has ever managed to unite Europeans as effectively as the orange man’s unrelenting torrent of temper tantrums over the past year and a half. Americans, we know some of you aren’t crazy. Can’t wait for the grown-ups to be in charge again, but in the mean time we’ll be moving on.

swed420 5mo ago
> Who cares at this point. Nothing has ever managed to unite Europeans as effectively as the orange man’s unrelenting torrent of temper tantrums over the past year and a half. > Americans, we know some of you aren’t crazy. Can’t wait for the grown-ups to be in charge again, but in the mean time we’ll be moving on. Assuming by "grown-ups" you mean Team Blue, then you'll be disappointed, because they manufactured consent for "orange man" every step of the way. People are too easily fooled by the good cop / bad cop routine, which is why it's continuously deployed. We have a uniparty with red and blue facades whose illusion apparently even pervades overseas. Buckle in for disappointment no matter where you live. As if your country doesn't have similar power struggles. It's capital interests against everybody else. Always has been. "Lesser of two evils" is still evil.
- nozzlegear 5mo ago
  This is just more trite "Muh both sides" doomerism.
  - swed420 5mo ago
    No it isn't. It's safe to assume you've either drunk the kool-aid or have something to gain monetarily (even if falsely assumed) by allowing the illusion to persist. Either way, you're literally part of the problem, as is anyone else who still takes this system seriously.
    - nozzlegear 5mo ago
      > It's safe to assume you've either drunk the kool-aid or have something to gain monetarily (even if falsely assumed) by allowing the illusion to persist. Either way, you're literally part of the problem, as is anyone else who still takes this system seriously. Is it? Am I? As a former Sanders caucuser who didn't fall for his supporters' both sides bullshit, perhaps some self-reflection on why running a candidate who's only popular with white people in Iowa would inevitably lose is in order.
      - swed420 5mo ago
        Are you kidding? Hillary was hated by so many demographics. Forcing her (in a blatantly unfair fashion, to anybody paying attention) twice was so absurd that it qualifies as a prime example of manufacturing consent for capital interests. "Vote for our capital shill or else you're hitler" is demonstrably not a winning strategy, especially when her Pied Piper shenanigans as revealed by wikileaks ultimately delivered us Trump.
- moparts 5mo ago
  Yeah. Couldn’t agree more. Trump and Obama are the same.
  - swed420 5mo ago
    Nobody said same. In fact, on a surface level, they're easy to view as polar opposites. One must critically examine beneath the surface to see how they're both on the same team (capital).
    - moparts 5mo ago
      What about sanders, mamdani, aoc? Or are they just fringe candidates and don’t count? For every AOC there are a dozen Schumers I guess. But I disagree with your thesis because there are factions of ethical capitalists in the democratic party that have never existed in the modern Republican Party.
      - swed420 5mo ago
        As a former Sanders supporter, it became clear that even though Bernie was likely acting in good faith, the establishment used all of their levers politically and in capital-controlled media to limit him to the role of controlled opposition. Emphasis on "controlled." > ethical capitalists That is not a coherent concept, especially in late stage capitalism.
        nozzlegear 5mo ago
        I caucused for Sanders 2016 in Iowa. He lost the primary fair and square, and was mathematically eliminated before superdelegates even factored into the contest at all. Sanders had zero appeal outside of white, college-educated people like myself, whereas Clinton was very popular with minorities and white, college-educated people. She was just a better candidate for the Democrat primary, and if you want to win the general as a Dem, you have to win the primary first. Blaming the media, capitalism, Debbie whatshername and insider elites is just Bernie Bro conspiracy theory making excuses for a bad, unpopular candidate. > late stage capitalism This is not a coherent concept, it's a term that doomers use to blame all of their bugbears with western society on shadowy cabals of nebulous elites. Ethical capitalism is, in fact, real – Elizabeth Warren, Robert Reich and Teddy Roosevelt are all examples.
- DonHopkins 5mo ago
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- simonask 5mo ago
  > Assuming by "grown-ups" you mean Team Blue I am deeply, profoundly, emphatically uninterested in your "teams". Your local news are not relevant to us. What the rest of the world sees is US foreign policy, and the mainstream sentiment in every other Western nation right now is one of second-hand embarrassment. Also the ethnic cleansing does not look great.
stronglikedan 5mo ago
Here's the thing: the grown-ups are in charge now. It's just that all spoiled, bratty children are too entitled to notice. It's like a scene from a movie where a serious teacher gets assigned to a class of misfits - no matter what the teacher does right, they'll always be "wrong".

swed420 5mo ago

> Who cares at this point. Nothing has ever managed to unite Europeans as effectively as the orange man’s unrelenting torrent of temper tantrums over the past year and a half. > Americans, we know some of you aren’t crazy. Can’t wait for the grown-ups to be in charge again, but in the mean time we’ll be moving on. Assuming by "grown-ups" you mean Team Blue, then you'll be disappointed, because they manufactured consent for "orange man" every step of the way. People are too easily fooled by the good cop / bad cop routine, which is why it's continuously deployed. We have a uniparty with red and blue facades whose illusion apparently even pervades overseas. Buckle in for disappointment no matter where you live. As if your country doesn't have similar power struggles. It's capital interests against everybody else. Always has been. "Lesser of two evils" is still evil.

nozzlegear 5mo ago
This is just more trite "Muh both sides" doomerism.
- swed420 5mo ago
  No it isn't. It's safe to assume you've either drunk the kool-aid or have something to gain monetarily (even if falsely assumed) by allowing the illusion to persist. Either way, you're literally part of the problem, as is anyone else who still takes this system seriously.
  - nozzlegear 5mo ago
    > It's safe to assume you've either drunk the kool-aid or have something to gain monetarily (even if falsely assumed) by allowing the illusion to persist. Either way, you're literally part of the problem, as is anyone else who still takes this system seriously. Is it? Am I? As a former Sanders caucuser who didn't fall for his supporters' both sides bullshit, perhaps some self-reflection on why running a candidate who's only popular with white people in Iowa would inevitably lose is in order.
    - swed420 5mo ago
      Are you kidding? Hillary was hated by so many demographics. Forcing her (in a blatantly unfair fashion, to anybody paying attention) twice was so absurd that it qualifies as a prime example of manufacturing consent for capital interests. "Vote for our capital shill or else you're hitler" is demonstrably not a winning strategy, especially when her Pied Piper shenanigans as revealed by wikileaks ultimately delivered us Trump.
moparts 5mo ago
Yeah. Couldn’t agree more. Trump and Obama are the same.
- swed420 5mo ago
  Nobody said same. In fact, on a surface level, they're easy to view as polar opposites. One must critically examine beneath the surface to see how they're both on the same team (capital).
  - moparts 5mo ago
    What about sanders, mamdani, aoc? Or are they just fringe candidates and don’t count? For every AOC there are a dozen Schumers I guess. But I disagree with your thesis because there are factions of ethical capitalists in the democratic party that have never existed in the modern Republican Party.
    - swed420 5mo ago
      As a former Sanders supporter, it became clear that even though Bernie was likely acting in good faith, the establishment used all of their levers politically and in capital-controlled media to limit him to the role of controlled opposition. Emphasis on "controlled." > ethical capitalists That is not a coherent concept, especially in late stage capitalism.
      - nozzlegear 5mo ago
        I caucused for Sanders 2016 in Iowa. He lost the primary fair and square, and was mathematically eliminated before superdelegates even factored into the contest at all. Sanders had zero appeal outside of white, college-educated people like myself, whereas Clinton was very popular with minorities and white, college-educated people. She was just a better candidate for the Democrat primary, and if you want to win the general as a Dem, you have to win the primary first. Blaming the media, capitalism, Debbie whatshername and insider elites is just Bernie Bro conspiracy theory making excuses for a bad, unpopular candidate. > late stage capitalism This is not a coherent concept, it's a term that doomers use to blame all of their bugbears with western society on shadowy cabals of nebulous elites. Ethical capitalism is, in fact, real – Elizabeth Warren, Robert Reich and Teddy Roosevelt are all examples.
DonHopkins 5mo ago
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- swed420 5mo ago
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simonask 5mo ago
> Assuming by "grown-ups" you mean Team Blue I am deeply, profoundly, emphatically uninterested in your "teams". Your local news are not relevant to us. What the rest of the world sees is US foreign policy, and the mainstream sentiment in every other Western nation right now is one of second-hand embarrassment. Also the ethnic cleansing does not look great.

stronglikedan 5mo ago

Here's the thing: the grown-ups are in charge now. It's just that all spoiled, bratty children are too entitled to notice. It's like a scene from a movie where a serious teacher gets assigned to a class of misfits - no matter what the teacher does right, they'll always be "wrong".