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I'm pretty sure American gov won't react kindly

by gsky 5mo ago

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WJW 5mo ago
America: You need to be more self sufficient and not lean on us so much! Europe: <launches European payment initiative> America: NOT LIKE THAT!!!
- dgellow 5mo ago
  Just to add a little bit more context, European interbanking initiatives are older than Trump insanity. What we are seeing at play is a slow decades-old strategy finally bearing fruits. Though Trump is for sure a factor pushing for adoption.
- drstewart 5mo ago
  >America: NOT LIKE THAT!!! Can you post a source supporting this?
  - AndrewDucker 5mo ago
    The USA is upset about Brazil providing Pix, their local equivalent. https://restofworld.org/2025/pix-brazil-us-investigation-digital-payments/ https://restofworld.org/2025/pix-brazil-us-investigation-dig...
- weberer 5mo ago
  What a ridiculous strawman. A huge chunk of Americans are also calling for the end of the Visa/MasterCard duopoly and would love to jump on board to this.
rbanffy 5mo ago
I'm pretty sure European governments know that and are prepared to deal with the temper tantrum.
- mrits 5mo ago
  Which country in Europe is prepared to deal with anything? They can’t even break away from the country currently invading them
  - thibaut_barrere 5mo ago
    A bit rich on an article showing we are precisely breaking away, topic by topic, to something which is more balanced.
  - torlok 5mo ago
    Europe is dealing with the US, just not via empty threats on social media. Things take time when you have a functioning democratic system with checks and balances.
  - rbanffy 5mo ago
    Europe has been dealing with wars since before your country existed. That’s nothing new around here.
toomuchtodo 5mo ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43284950 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43284950 - March 2025 > “How can I decouple from the US as fast as possible?” is what this leads to. > Diplomacy is the art of saying “good dog” until you make it to the rock. The US will apply pressure for short term gain against allies while they move away long term.
simonask 5mo ago
Who cares at this point. Nothing has ever managed to unite Europeans as effectively as the orange man’s unrelenting torrent of temper tantrums over the past year and a half. Americans, we know some of you aren’t crazy. Can’t wait for the grown-ups to be in charge again, but in the mean time we’ll be moving on.
- swed420 5mo ago
  > Who cares at this point. Nothing has ever managed to unite Europeans as effectively as the orange man’s unrelenting torrent of temper tantrums over the past year and a half. > Americans, we know some of you aren’t crazy. Can’t wait for the grown-ups to be in charge again, but in the mean time we’ll be moving on. Assuming by "grown-ups" you mean Team Blue, then you'll be disappointed, because they manufactured consent for "orange man" every step of the way. People are too easily fooled by the good cop / bad cop routine, which is why it's continuously deployed. We have a uniparty with red and blue facades whose illusion apparently even pervades overseas. Buckle in for disappointment no matter where you live. As if your country doesn't have similar power struggles. It's capital interests against everybody else. Always has been. "Lesser of two evils" is still evil.
  - nozzlegear 5mo ago
    This is just more trite "Muh both sides" doomerism.
    - swed420 5mo ago
      No it isn't. It's safe to assume you've either drunk the kool-aid or have something to gain monetarily (even if falsely assumed) by allowing the illusion to persist. Either way, you're literally part of the problem, as is anyone else who still takes this system seriously.
      - nozzlegear 5mo ago
        > It's safe to assume you've either drunk the kool-aid or have something to gain monetarily (even if falsely assumed) by allowing the illusion to persist. Either way, you're literally part of the problem, as is anyone else who still takes this system seriously. Is it? Am I? As a former Sanders caucuser who didn't fall for his supporters' both sides bullshit, perhaps some self-reflection on why running a candidate who's only popular with white people in Iowa would inevitably lose is in order.
criddell 5mo ago
I wouldn't be so sure, at least not this administration. Fragmented monetary systems provide more opportunities for creative accountants and that's something the people running everything in the US seem to benefit from.
CodingJeebus 5mo ago
This action is a response to the tariff regime imposed by the US. The current administration decided that it was going to use its role as the leader of the global hegemon to threaten and coerce other countries, and actions like this are a result. The American government can threaten them all they want, problem is that they've been threatening everyone since Day 1.

I'm pretty sure American gov won't react kindly

by gsky 5mo ago

I'm pretty sure American gov won't react kindly

deleted 5mo ago

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WJW 5mo ago

America: You need to be more self sufficient and not lean on us so much! Europe: <launches European payment initiative> America: NOT LIKE THAT!!!

dgellow 5mo ago
Just to add a little bit more context, European interbanking initiatives are older than Trump insanity. What we are seeing at play is a slow decades-old strategy finally bearing fruits. Though Trump is for sure a factor pushing for adoption.
drstewart 5mo ago
>America: NOT LIKE THAT!!! Can you post a source supporting this?
- AndrewDucker 5mo ago
  The USA is upset about Brazil providing Pix, their local equivalent. https://restofworld.org/2025/pix-brazil-us-investigation-digital-payments/ https://restofworld.org/2025/pix-brazil-us-investigation-dig...
weberer 5mo ago
What a ridiculous strawman. A huge chunk of Americans are also calling for the end of the Visa/MasterCard duopoly and would love to jump on board to this.

rbanffy 5mo ago

I'm pretty sure European governments know that and are prepared to deal with the temper tantrum.

mrits 5mo ago
Which country in Europe is prepared to deal with anything? They can’t even break away from the country currently invading them
- thibaut_barrere 5mo ago
  A bit rich on an article showing we are precisely breaking away, topic by topic, to something which is more balanced.
- torlok 5mo ago
  Europe is dealing with the US, just not via empty threats on social media. Things take time when you have a functioning democratic system with checks and balances.
- rbanffy 5mo ago
  Europe has been dealing with wars since before your country existed. That’s nothing new around here.

toomuchtodo 5mo ago

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43284950 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43284950 - March 2025 > “How can I decouple from the US as fast as possible?” is what this leads to. > Diplomacy is the art of saying “good dog” until you make it to the rock. The US will apply pressure for short term gain against allies while they move away long term.

simonask 5mo ago

Who cares at this point. Nothing has ever managed to unite Europeans as effectively as the orange man’s unrelenting torrent of temper tantrums over the past year and a half. Americans, we know some of you aren’t crazy. Can’t wait for the grown-ups to be in charge again, but in the mean time we’ll be moving on.

swed420 5mo ago
> Who cares at this point. Nothing has ever managed to unite Europeans as effectively as the orange man’s unrelenting torrent of temper tantrums over the past year and a half. > Americans, we know some of you aren’t crazy. Can’t wait for the grown-ups to be in charge again, but in the mean time we’ll be moving on. Assuming by "grown-ups" you mean Team Blue, then you'll be disappointed, because they manufactured consent for "orange man" every step of the way. People are too easily fooled by the good cop / bad cop routine, which is why it's continuously deployed. We have a uniparty with red and blue facades whose illusion apparently even pervades overseas. Buckle in for disappointment no matter where you live. As if your country doesn't have similar power struggles. It's capital interests against everybody else. Always has been. "Lesser of two evils" is still evil.
- nozzlegear 5mo ago
  This is just more trite "Muh both sides" doomerism.
  - swed420 5mo ago
    No it isn't. It's safe to assume you've either drunk the kool-aid or have something to gain monetarily (even if falsely assumed) by allowing the illusion to persist. Either way, you're literally part of the problem, as is anyone else who still takes this system seriously.
    - nozzlegear 5mo ago
      > It's safe to assume you've either drunk the kool-aid or have something to gain monetarily (even if falsely assumed) by allowing the illusion to persist. Either way, you're literally part of the problem, as is anyone else who still takes this system seriously. Is it? Am I? As a former Sanders caucuser who didn't fall for his supporters' both sides bullshit, perhaps some self-reflection on why running a candidate who's only popular with white people in Iowa would inevitably lose is in order.

criddell 5mo ago

I wouldn't be so sure, at least not this administration. Fragmented monetary systems provide more opportunities for creative accountants and that's something the people running everything in the US seem to benefit from.

CodingJeebus 5mo ago

This action is a response to the tariff regime imposed by the US. The current administration decided that it was going to use its role as the leader of the global hegemon to threaten and coerce other countries, and actions like this are a result. The American government can threaten them all they want, problem is that they've been threatening everyone since Day 1.