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Can anyone check its knowledge base for me? I’m honestly not able to run it and the Qwen models I can run censor information critical towards the Chinese govern

Can anyone check its knowledge base for me? I’m honestly not able to run it and the Qwen models I can run censor information critical towards the Chinese government. Tiananmen Square is the first place to start.

Mashimo 5mo ago
> I’m honestly not able to run it What do you mean? This is not self hosted, it's closed source. And any website that targets China or is hosted in China will probably censor Tiananmen Square.
- polski-g 5mo ago
  There is no reason why they couldn't license the model to Friendli/Fireworks/etc and have it hosted in the US to alleviate this concern.
  - Mashimo 5mo ago
    I don't know about this model specifically, but other china models did not have the limitation. It was purely on the hosted end, tacked on as a self check while the text was generating. Did that change?
  - SR2Z 5mo ago
    The reason is to create domestic demand for Chinese AI chips so they can eventually be free of NVIDIA.
    - slaw 5mo ago
      Replacing NVIDIA is not a problem, replacing ASML is.
      - SR2Z 5mo ago
        China can't do EUV lithography, but they have done a great job of pushing DUV to its limits. If they have the chip design talent they can still produce useful chips for their domestic markets.
- dfansteel 5mo ago
  My computer lacks the ram.
  - Mashimo 5mo ago
    Well if it had all the ram, you still could not run it because you can't download it. It's hosted by them, just like chatgpt or claude.
    - dfansteel 5mo ago
      Oh, how about that! I stopped checking because I maxed out long ago. BTW - They’re still censoring human rights violations.
wren6991 5mo ago
Qwen models know about Tiananmen Square but they are post-trained to refuse to talk about it. The decensored versions will happily chatter away about it. Similarly, try talking to Nemotron about Epstein and see how quickly it shuts down.

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Can anyone check its knowledge base for me? I’m honestly not able to run it and the Qwen models I can run censor information critical towards the Chinese govern

by dfansteel 5mo ago

Mashimo 5mo ago
> I’m honestly not able to run it What do you mean? This is not self hosted, it's closed source. And any website that targets China or is hosted in China will probably censor Tiananmen Square.
- polski-g 5mo ago
  There is no reason why they couldn't license the model to Friendli/Fireworks/etc and have it hosted in the US to alleviate this concern.
  - Mashimo 5mo ago
    I don't know about this model specifically, but other china models did not have the limitation. It was purely on the hosted end, tacked on as a self check while the text was generating. Did that change?
  - SR2Z 5mo ago
    The reason is to create domestic demand for Chinese AI chips so they can eventually be free of NVIDIA.
    - slaw 5mo ago
      Replacing NVIDIA is not a problem, replacing ASML is.
      - SR2Z 5mo ago
        China can't do EUV lithography, but they have done a great job of pushing DUV to its limits. If they have the chip design talent they can still produce useful chips for their domestic markets.
- dfansteel 5mo ago
  My computer lacks the ram.
  - Mashimo 5mo ago
    Well if it had all the ram, you still could not run it because you can't download it. It's hosted by them, just like chatgpt or claude.
    - dfansteel 5mo ago
      Oh, how about that! I stopped checking because I maxed out long ago. BTW - They’re still censoring human rights violations.
wren6991 5mo ago
Qwen models know about Tiananmen Square but they are post-trained to refuse to talk about it. The decensored versions will happily chatter away about it. Similarly, try talking to Nemotron about Epstein and see how quickly it shuts down.