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"An armed society is a polite society." Do you really believe this platitude? On a purely logical level, there are so many counterexamples that one has to be e

by natrius 14y ago

"An armed society is a polite society." Do you really believe this platitude? On a purely logical level, there are so many counterexamples that one has to be embarrassed to state it as fact.

clarky07 14y ago
I do. Please show lots of examples of people with their HCP committing crimes. Look at Switzerland. Do they have huge mass murders happening on a daily basis?
clarky07 14y ago
I'm still waiting on your counterexamples, but in the mean time here are a few links. In Switzerland, most 20-30 year olds are in the militia, and have automatic assault rifles in their homes. After their service, they are made into semi-automatic rifles and generally kept by the servicemen in their homes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland 2006 - 34 gun killings, 7.6mil population - rate of killings or attempted killings with firearms at about one for every quarter million residents yearly DC - poster child for gun control, had 137 gun killings last year with a population of 600k. http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/11/18/effectiveness_of_dc_gun_ban_still_a_mystery/?page=full http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/11/18/effect...
- rmccue 14y ago
  In Australia, we've decreased to about 0.1 gun homicides per 100k: http://guncontrol.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/1995-2006-1.png http://guncontrol.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/1995-200... (Note: somewhat biased site) That's compared to 0.22 for DC, or 0.04 for Switzerland, so it's still higher than Switzerland with vastly higher gun control. However, I think that it's more about the surrounding gun culture than it is the laws: most Australians are against gun usage (see the response to the Port Arthur massacre or the Monash Uni shootings), whereas for Americans, it's their right to hold arms, and they seem to defend that adamantly. See also, this opinion piece by our former Prime Minister: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/brothers-in-arms-yes-but-the-us-needs-to-get-rid-of-its-guns-20120731-23ct7.html http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/brothers-in-arms-yes-... Edit: http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/australia http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/australia notes 30 gun-related homicides in 2008 for a population of ~21 million.
  - clarky07 14y ago
    That's not a counter example though. Having a place with gun control that isn't full of gun crime isn't that shocking, though it hasn't worked in the US. What you need to prove me wrong would be one without any gun control that has huge lawlessness and gun crime compared to similar places with gun control.

by natrius 14y ago

"An armed society is a polite society." Do you really believe this platitude? On a purely logical level, there are so many counterexamples that one has to be embarrassed to state it as fact.

clarky07 14y ago

I do. Please show lots of examples of people with their HCP committing crimes. Look at Switzerland. Do they have huge mass murders happening on a daily basis?

clarky07 14y ago

I'm still waiting on your counterexamples, but in the mean time here are a few links. In Switzerland, most 20-30 year olds are in the militia, and have automatic assault rifles in their homes. After their service, they are made into semi-automatic rifles and generally kept by the servicemen in their homes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland 2006 - 34 gun killings, 7.6mil population - rate of killings or attempted killings with firearms at about one for every quarter million residents yearly DC - poster child for gun control, had 137 gun killings last year with a population of 600k. http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/11/18/effectiveness_of_dc_gun_ban_still_a_mystery/?page=full http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/11/18/effect...

rmccue 14y ago
In Australia, we've decreased to about 0.1 gun homicides per 100k: http://guncontrol.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/1995-2006-1.png http://guncontrol.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/1995-200... (Note: somewhat biased site) That's compared to 0.22 for DC, or 0.04 for Switzerland, so it's still higher than Switzerland with vastly higher gun control. However, I think that it's more about the surrounding gun culture than it is the laws: most Australians are against gun usage (see the response to the Port Arthur massacre or the Monash Uni shootings), whereas for Americans, it's their right to hold arms, and they seem to defend that adamantly. See also, this opinion piece by our former Prime Minister: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/brothers-in-arms-yes-but-the-us-needs-to-get-rid-of-its-guns-20120731-23ct7.html http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/brothers-in-arms-yes-... Edit: http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/australia http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/australia notes 30 gun-related homicides in 2008 for a population of ~21 million.
- clarky07 14y ago
  That's not a counter example though. Having a place with gun control that isn't full of gun crime isn't that shocking, though it hasn't worked in the US. What you need to prove me wrong would be one without any gun control that has huge lawlessness and gun crime compared to similar places with gun control.