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Map of Metal
- gegtik 5mo agoTook awhile to figure out clicking the skull is the interactive element, I kept clicking the text label and nothing was happening
- alexandrehtrb 5mo agoI see Judas Priest, I upvote.
- RyanOD 5mo agoI see Yngwie, I also upvote.
- ravenstine 5mo agoI see Mercyful Fate or King Diamond and I also upvote!
- RyanOD 5mo agoOh yeah. Totally agree. What a character Petersen is. Used to marvel at him on Headbanger's Ball.
- NooneAtAll3 5mo agonot to be confused with Metal the Apple's GPU language or metals as in constituents of alloys
- pjmlp 5mo agoNow that is a great map!
- meerita 5mo agoThe song "Ten Ton Hammer" from Machine Head is not right: it's showing another song. Besides that, fun experience!
- dandare 5mo agoThis is amazing! But I need SEARCH feature :) Btw, the map interface is very well implemented, what is it based on?
- keraf 5mo agoLooking at the source, it seems to be using OpenSeadragon[0]. [0] https://openseadragon.github.io/ https://openseadragon.github.io/
- pjgalbraith 5mo agoDidn't expect to see something I made on HN while my wife is trying to find something to watch on TV. So about the site in case anyone is interested. I made it with a friend who was studying multimedia. He helped with the data and I did the coding. Took about a week or two. The site was originally Flash (remember that). But I ported it to HTML5 a few years ago. It still has those Flash vibes I think. Posted the code to GitHub when I ported it. I did this mostly to keep it alive for old times sake. So about the mobile support. I planned to do it but got sidetracked building a custom WebGL map renderer because phone performance was poor. However I never finished, life finds a way to get in the way and all that... I have some mobile designs lying around. The other issue was when I first built the site YouTube didn't really play ads much at all, just those little text ads, and you could embed the player really tiny. So it worked better. In the original flash version I actually hid the video player. But that got the site blacklisted from YouTube, I asked a Google engineer on a dev forum to put a word in and they removed the block, very different times, this was back when Google was a different beast, and you could chat to real people online and the dev communities were much smaller. I have a illustration of a much bigger map in my sketchbook. It has a lot more subgenres and interconnected things like historical events and so on. But it's huge unfolded, like 2x1.5m or something ridiculous. I miss those days when the web was full of weird and experimental stuff. I grew up with Newgrounds and Geocities, I'm sure it's all still out there buried under a giant pile of SEO optimised refuse.
- GuinansEyebrows 5mo agoi haven't seen this since the flash days. so cool. glad you ported it so it's still accessible!
- glenstein 5mo agoAbsolutely fantastic project! I completely understand you've got other things going on, but for me on Firefox mobile, I'm seeing a YouTube pop-up window for Black Sabbath and I don't see any obvious way to close it.
- pjgalbraith 5mo agoSorry about that. Its definitely a desktop kinda experience anyway.
- TwoNineA 5mo agoGreat map. There might be some categories missing, couldn't find any Katatonia, Agalloch, Alcest nor Tiamat. Alcest and some Deftones are considered blackgaze and Agalloch, Wolves in the Throne Room fall more into grey metal.
- yawgmoth 5mo agoIt's interesting because some of these bands are older than these terms. Alcest wasn't considered blackgaze until albums inspired by their own sound became popular, for example. Metal also has history where a genre is aesthetically defined as well as sonically, which complicates things.
- loganc2342 5mo agoBlack Sabbath, the consensus originators of metal as a whole, weren’t considered metal until albums inspired by their sound became popular, either.
- toolslive 5mo agoThey (Black Sabbath) were booked as a blues band by Jazz Bilzen in 1970. People just didn't know where to bucket sort them at the time.
- kubanczyk 5mo agoI see Tiamat at Goth Metal.
- krat0sprakhar 5mo agoI can't thank you enough for mentioning Agalloch! I used to listen to them so much in university but somehow completely forgot about them until I read this comment! I'm going to lose myself to "The Mantle" this weekend (best part is that I can now learn to play these songs on guitar). Thank you so much again - you made my day!
- bingoMen 5mo agoWolves in the Throne Room are RABM not grey. Their are clearly political and clearly anti NSBM and anarchists. And very clear that the musical genre is black metal.
- scrumper 5mo agoVery nice work of art. (I don't really like the bullets though, they don't seem very metal-y to me. Scythes maybe, or flensing knives.) It might be fun to have a sort of gazetteer for the map so we can find bands.
- where-group-by 5mo agoIt's common enough that they are sold as an accessory. Search for "metal bullet belt".
- scrumper 5mo agoOK fair enough.
- busfahrer 5mo agoSeeing as this is HN, I was expecting something on chemical properties of iron etc, but was pleasantly surprised
- dude250711 5mo agoGrateful it's not an agentic start-up.
- a3w 5mo agoTo be excapt: This is a Mäp of Metäl, no hair was cut in making the map.
- mr_mitm 5mo agoAs a German, metal umlauts look so confusing
- voidUpdate 5mo agom̈ëẗäl̈ üm̈l̈äüẗs̈ (awww, you can't put an umlaut on a space) (oh wow the HM font does not like what I just did. It looks fine in the monospace font)
- victorNicollet 5mo agoIsn't the ¨ (U+00A8) character equivalent to an umlaut on a space? I suppose you used ◌̈ (U+0308).
- voidUpdate 5mo agoI'll be honest, I used a slightly crappy website instead of manually doing it
- dot_treo 5mo agoReminds me very much of https://music.ishkur.com/ https://music.ishkur.com/ which is the same kind of thing but for electronic music.
- zaitsev1393 5mo agoWow thanks for sharing, went straight to Eurotrash and it didn't dissapoint
- MrGilbert 5mo agoThe descriptions are a bit more tongue-in-cheek, though. I love it.
- jerryoftheyear 5mo agoThe original Ishkur's Guide is even more similar, here's a modern recreation of it: https://igorbrigadir.github.io/ishkurs-guide-dataset/ https://igorbrigadir.github.io/ishkurs-guide-dataset/
- Wiles_7 5mo agoReminds me of the works of Ward Shelley. Especially his History of Science Fiction. https://www.artsy.net/artwork/ward-shelley-history-of-science-fiction-v-dot-2 https://www.artsy.net/artwork/ward-shelley-history-of-scienc...
- BubbleRings 5mo agoWhere can I find a full resolution version of that image?
- BubbleRings 5mo agoNevermind, I found this thing called Google that found it for me <g> https://websites.umich.edu/~esrabkin/sf/HistoryOfSFVisualized.html https://websites.umich.edu/~esrabkin/sf/HistoryOfSFVisualize...
- Lapalux 5mo agoWhere would Mastodon be on this?
- kubanczyk 5mo agoSludge metal, where else...
- a-french-anon 5mo agoMastodon isn't sludge in any way, mate... sludge is hardcore punk + (proto) doom metal. It's what the Melvins, the B-side of Black Flags's My War and early Flippers spawned, so mostly the NOLA scene (Eyehategod, Crowbar, Down, Acid Bath, Buzzoven, etc...) and "others" (Grief, Floor, 16). Perhaps we need a word to disambiguate "atmosludge" from actual sludge, for the same reason "skramz" was invented.
- bear141 5mo agoIf there’s no bug infested dreadlocks then it ain’t sludge! Except Dixie Dave. Eyes crossed from Jim beam and cough syrup works too.
- jbgt 5mo agoProgressive sludge I think
- dwa3592 5mo agoLove it. gonna be listening yardbirds all day today. The map also feels like a jeans.
- Thaxll 5mo agoNot sure why there is Swedish death metal when Melodic Death exists.
- BoggleOhYeah 5mo agoSwedish death is a specific sound like Entombed, which is fairly different than melo-death bands like In Flames. I'm not entirely sure why those specific song choices for the Swedish Death category. The older At The Gates albums are more like the original Swedish sound but Slaughter of the Soul (included in Swedish Death) is essentially THE Melo-death album.
- Kelteseth 5mo agoNu Metal not having any Linkin Park songs is a crime.
- dajonker 5mo agoMike Shinoda is fine with not being classified as Nu Metal https://blabbermouth.net/news/linkin-parks-mike-shinoda-says-band-never-identified-with-nu-metal https://blabbermouth.net/news/linkin-parks-mike-shinoda-says...
- Kelteseth 5mo agoLet me quote Wikipedia: > The popularity of nu metal came to a peak in 2001 with Linkin Park's diamond-selling debut album, Hybrid Theory.
- leopoldj 5mo agoMost awesome site ever created.
- kgarten 5mo agoReminded me a bit on the design space of Metal logos: https://renecutura.eu/metalvis/ https://renecutura.eu/metalvis/
- lashull 5mo agoThis website has instantly more relevance than 50% of the online news outlets out there.
- ethical 5mo agoThere is no need for anything else, on the Internet.
- broken-kebab 5mo agoLooks great! However I'm not sure how it is supposed to work. Like, should it play doom when I click doom? For me it started with Black Sabbath, and it doesn't change
- ltsSmitty 5mo agobeautifully done!
- deppep 5mo agoi also made something like this. it cover 17M entities across tracks albums artists and labels. posted on show hn a few times but it went unnoticed (hate u (joking)) https://toposonico.com/#lon=14.4313&lat=-1.0200&z=9.10&entity=album&rowid=21801928 https://toposonico.com/#lon=14.4313&lat=-1.0200&z=9.10&entit...
- mococa 5mo ago\m/
- soupfordummies 5mo agoThat live version of War Pigs is INSANE
- voidfunc 5mo agoI'd love of this showed me the spiritual successors of a band / sub-genre even if they're not mainstream or well known. For example, I really love Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, and a number of other "classic" Heavy Metal bands with a slow, hard but not sludgy brooding sound and amazing vocals. But it's hard finding modern acts with a similar sound. What tends to happen when I search for modern metal is I end up finding stuff that is more a descendant of speed metal, or thrash, or black metal... and none of that really strikes the right chord for me. There used to be a thing like 20-ish years ago called Musicovery that could sort of do this if you clicked around.
- mc_maurer 5mo agoYou ever heard of Every Noise at Once? You can search for an artist, see the genres they belong to, and then look for artists nearby in 2D musical space (oversimplified a bit to be fair) within that genre. I've found it's generally pretty accurate, and I've found plenty of new artists this way. Unfortunately no longer being updated, but still has a fantastic backlog of new-ish artists.
- InfoSecErik 5mo agoThe Sword might be what you're looking for - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL7ndxWgW5A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL7ndxWgW5A
- kreig 5mo agoFWIW, There's a lot of new bands sounding like the old classic Metal bands, they are `tagged` as NWOTHM (New Wave of Traditional Heavy Metal), such as: - White Wizzard - Tailgunner - Skull Fist - Wolf - Enforcer - 3 Inches of Blood - Lucifer - and many others
- lorenzohess 5mo agoAnd here I was thinking it would be a materials science map
- kps 5mo agoMe too. Maybe someone can find a data source and vibe up a mapofmetals.com in the same style.
- NoSalt 5mo agoGiven this is Hacker News, this easily could have been some re-vamped "table" of metal elements or what the linked site ultimately is ... LOL. Personally, I am more happy with the actual site than metallurgy.
- MisterTea 5mo agoI was hoping it was a metallurgical table myself but was pleasantly surprised with a map of my favorite music genre. Win either way.
- petros 5mo agoVery cool visual representation of metal history. I'm working on something similar for basketball history.
- toolslive 5mo agoreally nice! For the inclined, there's also https://www.metal-archives.com/ https://www.metal-archives.com/
- stringfood 5mo agowhy when i click the different links does new music representing that period not play? I expected to hear 1960's progenitors to metal when I clicked that section
- nyeah 5mo agoVery nice map. Historical comment only. I first listened to this music in the late 1970s. One big change in the story, over time, is how few people trace the sound to Hendrix now. (Not this map in particular. Metal fans I know would agree with the map.) I think (?) a common current viewpoint is that Led Zep [!?] was foundational but the genre really started with Black Sabbath and Judas Priest. Which, definitions change. But in 1977 I listened to Purple Haze and, sure, it was "Psychedelic Rock" as indicated on the map. 100%! But it was also almost definitionally metal. Forty-nine years ago, I mean, not today. [!?] I love Zeppelin. But I would have been laughed out of high school if I'd compared them to metal, or claimed they were even hard rock.
- BrokenCogs 5mo agoI started learning guitar in 2006 and my guitar teacher pointed out how metal originated from Hendrix's sound. I always thought that was common knowledge
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- senderista 5mo agoI think it's more like metal originated from Tony Iommi's sound. Was Hendrix a significant influence on Iommi, no idea.
- BrokenCogs 5mo agoYes Hendrix strongly influenced Iommi: https://rockandrollgarage.com/what-are-dio-and-tony-iommi-favorite-jimi-hendrix-songs/ https://rockandrollgarage.com/what-are-dio-and-tony-iommi-fa...
- bear141 5mo agoThat’s interesting. Somehow my brain never really put that together. He was obviously ripping heavy blues and innovated more than anyone before and arguably since. Thanks for adding him into my mental Metal flow chart. For me I would always say that somewhere between 68-71 metal was being cooked up by Black Sabbath in Birmingham, Motörhead in London, Pentagram in Virginia, and Blue Cheer in San Francisco. Obviously Hendrix’s influence would be most obvious with the latter.
- kirtivr 5mo agoLove it, though it looks like the website got the HN hug of death. One of my favorite documentaries to learn the history of metal is "metal: a headbanger's journey" (available on YouTube).
- ravenstine 5mo agoAhh yes, the origin of this classic clip! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jkl4Yeh-BTo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jkl4Yeh-BTo
- einpoklum 5mo agoI liked the anti-establishment, Anarchist/socialist vibes of the Hardcore punk rock island. Don't like all of the macho posing and shrieking (neither in punk and especially not in the more "black" part); and double dislike the crass commercialization of so much of it.
- nyeah 5mo agoYeah very good song choices there.
- bear141 5mo agoPunk is for politics and Metal is for Partying.
- bingoMen 5mo agoSaying you are privileged without actually saying it. Everything is political, even partying.
- bigfishrunning 5mo agoAnarchist/socialist are such funny words to put a slash between. They seem like such polar opposite political structures
- FarmerPotato 5mo agoConsult "Homage to Catalonia" by George Orwell. In the Spanish Civil War, Orwell soldiered with anarchists and socialists and the rest of the worker's parties, against the fascists.. until the inevitable purge.
- einpoklum 5mo agoAnarchism has historically been a current within the larger Socialist movement. Socialism is not just establishment sheep-herding rhetoric like Bernie Sanders' or the French Parti Socialiste; nor just the centrlized-state authoritarianism of the USSR. In fact, the labor movement in the US once had more prominent Anarchist leaders than state-socialists - the struggle for the 8-hour workday and May 1st, the Industrial Workers of the World, etc. And there are Anarchist traditions in the workers' movements of Latin America and Europe of course, and to a much lesser extent in Asia early 20th century Asia.
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- tra3 5mo agoYa'll should checkout https://everynoise.com/ https://everynoise.com/. Similar in spirit. Just read the update: > 2024-01-05 status update: With my 2023-12-04 layoff from Spotify I lost the internal data-access required for ongoing updates to many parts of this site. Most of this, as a result, is now a static snapshot of what, for now, will be the final state from the site's 10-year history and evolution.. what a shame. I didn't realize the author worked for Spotify. Guess it makes sense. Spotify should've acquired it from the author or made a deal with him to keep it live since all the links lead to Spotify anyway.
- bobbleheads 5mo agoThere's a really great map of electronic music here that I've always loved https://music.ishkur.com/ https://music.ishkur.com/
- alt227 5mo agoI was enjoying this until I started reading the descriptions of the genres. The person that made this is very opinionated and not afraid to say what they think about certain genres they do not like!
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- jagged-chisel 5mo agoMetal music. Not chemical elements. Not Apple’s graphics API.
- ravenstine 5mo agoHoly crap, someone recognizes Neue Deutsch Härte as the legit metal genre it is! And the playlist includes 5 März by the Alexx-era Megaherz! Excellent work!!!
- hotsauceror 5mo agoI've got a particular itch that's difficult to scratch, and I'm not seeing anything on this site that reflects the genre. I've heard it as 'metalstep' but I'm sure there are other names for it. Very aggressive cross between metal and EDM. More of a metal sensibility than hardcore EDM; more of an EDM / trance sensibility than, say, Fear Factory. The drum tracks have more of a death metal vibe to them. It's probably easy to blend into other genres. I'm thinking stuff like Invocation Array, Rave The Requivm, Follow the Cipher, even stuff like The Algorithm and Neurotech. I suppose Fear Factory would count here as well.
- RobotToaster 5mo agoelectro-industrial?
- BrokenCogs 5mo agoCheck out the band smash stereo, and check out the doom (2016) and doom the dark ages sound tracks.
- constantius 5mo agoDidn't know I enjoyed this kind of metal, but itls great. You got some more, friend?
- BrokenCogs 5mo agoThere's another band called The Algorithm which is somewhat similar. Also try this playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7JbQnrznEs458ehyRr7d0L?si=aceaa8822f7b4b12 https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7JbQnrznEs458ehyRr7d0L?si=...
- hotsauceror 5mo agoHoly shit, this is great. VAND3ST is beastly. Finishing Move too. Thank you so much.
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- erickhill 5mo agoWhere is the "Purchase Print" button so I can tack this poster to my wall?
- erickhill 5mo agoSnap! Cloth, too. https://www.zazzle.com/map_of_metal_second_edition_colossal_size_poster-228739956812258560 https://www.zazzle.com/map_of_metal_second_edition_colossal_...
- shagie 5mo agoOne of the "I'm trying to find it" ... Fantasy metal. I was wondering where I'd find Blind Guardian ( https://youtu.be/n63UbX5kzAc https://youtu.be/n63UbX5kzAc https://youtu.be/uOMfsywQgY0?si=7N9hcXJcqbZtJ1jC&t=953 https://youtu.be/uOMfsywQgY0?si=7N9hcXJcqbZtJ1jC&t=953 ) or the newly emerging dwarfish metal genre with Windrose (best known for their rendition of Diggy Diggy Hole https://youtu.be/34CZjsEI1yU https://youtu.be/34CZjsEI1yU but they've got other music that celebrates fantasy dwarf culture - https://lnk.to/WindRose-Trollslayer https://lnk.to/WindRose-Trollslayer )
- shermantanktop 5mo agoI get the thematic connection but I feel like Blind Guardian is an institution whereas the Diggy Diggy Hole band is perhaps in a different league with a more selective core fan base and a song that has novelty appeal. No offense to dwarf metal fans intended.
- shagie 5mo agoTheir rendition of Diggy Diggy Hole made it to dwarvish rock anthem... but they've got a lot of other material that is dwarf themed. They do speak to more of the gamer culture... for example Rock and Stone https://youtu.be/8ZXBm1NXBaI https://youtu.be/8ZXBm1NXBaI - there's a lot of other dwarf rock. Consider "The Breed of Durin" - who preformed it? https://youtu.be/dV51_xsV4uI https://youtu.be/dV51_xsV4uI Other than seeing "Wind Rose" and knowing Blind Guardian discography, you'd likely have to listen carefully to identify if this was Blind Guardian or Windrose. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIhpnUMTxak&list=OLAK5uy_m3GEVLhicmL0IPmXiziLuhc5EuqnUSp6M&index=1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIhpnUMTxak&list=OLAK5uy_m3G...
- maleldil 5mo agoBlind Guardian is under "Melodic Power Metal", which is exactly where I'd expect to find it, alongside Helloween, Rhapsody, Dragonforce and Angra.
- devhouse 5mo agoNice idea! love it, reminds me of the Metal Archives. btw Deathgrind should really be called Grindcore!!
- colordrops 5mo agoWhere would theatrical art metal like Sleepytime Gorilla Museum fit on this?
- mftrhu 5mo agoFor some reason, I was actually expecting a map of metals - tungsten, uranium and such. Not sure why.
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- casey2 5mo agoI wish this was about actual metals. Such an important group of materials that aren't very accessible to the layperson.
- Pay08 5mo agoDo you mean reference material for individual metals and alloys or an overview of materials science/metallurgy as a whole?
- FarmerPotato 5mo agoTrying to validate my favorite band, 6061, but I can't find its genre. Went through a phase of listening to Beryllium and Fortal.
- dinfinity 5mo agoSeems to bug hard on Firefox.
- lz400 5mo agoReminds me of the Ishkur's guide to electronic music https://music.ishkur.com/ https://music.ishkur.com/ Both these maps of styles have most of their richness in the past. Modern era is mostly stagnation. I suppose it would be different if I had a map of hip-hop?
- nikisweeting 5mo agoHas anyone made something like this for jazz, classical, or hip-hop? The closest I know of are: - https://www.music-map.com/ https://www.music-map.com/ - https://everynoise.com/ https://everynoise.com/ - https://chartmetric.com/ https://chartmetric.com/ - https://musicroamer.com/ https://musicroamer.com/ - http://davidmckinney.com/app http://davidmckinney.com/app But they're all kind of generic, I would love to see something more genre-specific with additional historic context and personality.
- CSMastermind 5mo agoI'm blown away by the things people think to create.
- nxtfari 5mo agothis being HN, from the title i genuinely had no idea whether this link would be about music, the apple graphics acceleration framework, or ore deposits.
- ForOldHack 5mo agoPRIEST! ( oh, exucse me... )
- jeremykalfus 5mo agoNo Parkway Drive in the Metalcore section is a sin
- flopsamjetsam 5mo agoGreat map! No Opeth?
- jbgt 5mo agoIn case you haven't seen it, Metal Evolution is a great documentary by a sociologist tracing the different ages of Metal. Some have mentioned Sabbath, mc5, Stooges etc as origins. Sam Dunn (documentary producer) says Paganini has a big influence in the guitar solo, demonstrations of virtuosity by the players etc. interviews this crazy swedish guy can't remember his name.
- shengha 5mo agoWhere is Sleep Token?