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> These phones are just old. If you replaced the processor inside an older phone Are you saying that the processor got slower with time? The same, old tasks go

> These phones are just old. If you replaced the processor inside an older phone Are you saying that the processor got slower with time? The same, old tasks got slower, not new ones. > There is no intentional slowing. There was proven intentional slowing. Why are you so sure it can't happen again, given it's still profitable?

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tristanj 5mo ago
No. The operating system, nearly all apps, and most websites are designed to run on faster hardware. The hardware in modern phones is improving by double digit percentages each year. Websites add more features. Apps do the same. Same with the operating system. iOS has added hundreds of features over the past 5 years. Software is optimized to perform well on current generation hardware, not old hardware. The smartphone industry is the fastest improving industry on the planet, and devices become obsolete faster than most people comprehend. It's a perception issue. Most other technologies are mature and older devices work fine without issue. A microwave sold 20 years ago performs the same as a modern one, but a 20 year old phone is ancient.
- fsflover 5mo ago
  There is no reason to completely rewrite the well-designed and working parts of the OS like Settings or Camera, apart from making it intentionally heavy and slow on older hardware. Or for promotion of managers, with the same end result. See also: enshittification. Did you find any actual improvements anywhere after the update?
  - tristanj 5mo ago
    > There is no reason to completely rewrite the well-designed and working parts of the OS This is completely untrue. > Did you find any actual improvements anywhere after the update? Yes, I prefer when devices I pay for get free software updates that add dozens of features per year that I use. I enjoy getting security updates. I enjoy new features.
    - fsflover 5mo ago
      Bloat makes new software slower, not new features. This is confirmed by newer versions of Firefox or KDE that do not get as much slower as iOS, if at all.
      - tristanj 5mo ago
        > Bloat makes new software slower, not new features False. New features can make all other software slower. A clear example is Apple intelligence, a new feature which runs an LLM on-device and uses 1-2GB of RAM. The large amount of RAM it uses would otherwise be dedicated to apps instead as a cache. Enabling Apple intelligence makes every other app run slower. The Apple intelligence LLM also takes up 7 GB of storage on device. > newer versions of Firefox or KDE that do not get as much slower as iOS Newer versions of Firefox on iOS are approaching 400MB in download size, which is over a 10x increase from a decade ago.

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tristanj 5mo ago

No. The operating system, nearly all apps, and most websites are designed to run on faster hardware. The hardware in modern phones is improving by double digit percentages each year. Websites add more features. Apps do the same. Same with the operating system. iOS has added hundreds of features over the past 5 years. Software is optimized to perform well on current generation hardware, not old hardware. The smartphone industry is the fastest improving industry on the planet, and devices become obsolete faster than most people comprehend. It's a perception issue. Most other technologies are mature and older devices work fine without issue. A microwave sold 20 years ago performs the same as a modern one, but a 20 year old phone is ancient.

fsflover 5mo ago
There is no reason to completely rewrite the well-designed and working parts of the OS like Settings or Camera, apart from making it intentionally heavy and slow on older hardware. Or for promotion of managers, with the same end result. See also: enshittification. Did you find any actual improvements anywhere after the update?
- tristanj 5mo ago
  > There is no reason to completely rewrite the well-designed and working parts of the OS This is completely untrue. > Did you find any actual improvements anywhere after the update? Yes, I prefer when devices I pay for get free software updates that add dozens of features per year that I use. I enjoy getting security updates. I enjoy new features.
  - fsflover 5mo ago
    Bloat makes new software slower, not new features. This is confirmed by newer versions of Firefox or KDE that do not get as much slower as iOS, if at all.
    - tristanj 5mo ago
      > Bloat makes new software slower, not new features False. New features can make all other software slower. A clear example is Apple intelligence, a new feature which runs an LLM on-device and uses 1-2GB of RAM. The large amount of RAM it uses would otherwise be dedicated to apps instead as a cache. Enabling Apple intelligence makes every other app run slower. The Apple intelligence LLM also takes up 7 GB of storage on device. > newer versions of Firefox or KDE that do not get as much slower as iOS Newer versions of Firefox on iOS are approaching 400MB in download size, which is over a 10x increase from a decade ago.