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Deepseek had another moment a few weeks ago. V4 isn't far behind the US frontier, and so far its flash variant seems a very reliable coder and costs a pittance.
by squidbeak 5mo ago
Deepseek had another moment a few weeks ago. V4 isn't far behind the US frontier, and so far its flash variant seems a very reliable coder and costs a pittance.
- ai_fry_ur_brain 5mo agoDeepseek V4 (not flash) trippled in price too by the way (from Deepseek). Get used to this pattern. This is what you get for relying on the generosity of billionaires. Keep offshoring your thinking ability to a machine and let me know how competitive you. Hint, you wont be. There's nothing special about being able to use an LLM.
- npn 5mo agoUnlike other providers, Deepseek does promise that they will lower the price when their Huawei cards arrive in a few more months.
- flakiness 5mo agoGive me a link. Cannot wait. One PSA is that they have 75% discount right now so it is already cheaper than the full price.
- npn 5mo agoWeird, last time I checked it was right on the pricing page. But even when it happens I doubt it would be as cheap as it is right now. Enjoy it while it lasts!
- aurareturn 5mo agoI think demand is too great and compute is not enough. Nothing to do with billionaires colluding to increase prices by 3x.
- boutell 5mo agoActually, why should Google collude on pricing? They have deep pockets and could starve out the competition while keeping prices low, if they really wanted. I think it is priced high because it's basically their smartest model as well as their fastest, so why shouldn't they? You can still use earlier generations of Flash at a lower cost if you want "fast and cheap and just OK," which often makes sense. (Just checked) I would predict they will lower this price when 3.5 High appears, but perhaps not all the way.
- dpoloncsak 5mo agoMate why are you so mad at people upset the price trippeled? It's a fair complaint that people built services using the cheaper ones with the expectation future models would be similarly priced. You can avoid 'offloading thinking' while still building ontop of these models
- kuschku 5mo ago> It's a fair complaint that people built services using the cheaper ones with the expectation future models would be similarly priced Everyone could see this coming from miles away, everyone warned that this would happen again and again and again, and it always got dismissed.
- dpoloncsak 5mo agoI still think its reasonable to forsee this possibility and be upset when it comes to fruition
- ls612 5mo agoAnyone can host Deepseek V4 on rented GPUs and sell inference on it. Price will very quickly converge to the marginal cost of inference. This is as close to a pure commodity as it gets in the AI space so competitive market economics will put in work. Same is true for any open-weights model.
- ai_fry_ur_brain 5mo agoYou dont understand the costs involved to run inference at scale Please go run some numbers.The hardware needed to Run Deepseek v4 flash at 20 tps for a single session is nowhere close to what is required to run it at 50tps for 5,000 concurrent sessions. Imagine what it takes to be profitible when running at 150 tps for 30cents per 1mm. You make less than 1k per month and the hardware required to run that cost 10k a month to rent with hardly any concurrent session capability.
- ls612 5mo agoYes it is more efficient in $/tok to run at scale than to run just for yourself. Everyone selling Deepseek V4 inference is selling an undifferentiated good. They have run the numbers on how much it costs and are competing against a dozen other outfits also selling undifferentiated open weights tokens. Whatever the dollar cost they face to rent those GPUs will be what they are able to charge in the competitive market. That is great for you and me because we can buy tokens at pretty much exactly what it costs to produce them.
- ai_fry_ur_brain 5mo agoThey are selling it below costs and training on your tool calling, and potentially all your data. They're selling it for cheap to get your data dumbass.
- drob518 5mo agoWhoever purchased their RAM last month vs this month has the advantage, I suspect.
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- zaptrem 5mo agoV4-Pro is about 2.4× total params and 1.3× active params of V3.2.
- creationcomplex 5mo agoYou're typing as your handwriting and letter sending abilities deteriorate to dust. Writing down information as your memory capacity decays. Remembering instead of living at the pure leading edge of perception dulling your reactions. Smh, it's all downhill from the first unadulterated neuron.
- barrell 5mo agoActually, deepseek v4 was 1/3 promotional price for the first month or so. This was pretty clearly communicated. The promotions window just ended is all.
- greenchair 5mo agothus proving ops point
- barrell 5mo agoIf you run out of 50% coupons to your local pizza joint, did they double their prices? Does every company double or triple their prices after Black Friday? There’s a pretty significant difference between saying someone tripled their prices, and a temporary promotion ended. It’s even more so the case if someone is using it as an example for raising prices as a trend. I’m 100% in the camp that prices are going up and quality is going down; companies are retiring models and requiring you to use more expensive ones. This has happened to me and there are dozens of examples that one can point to. But a promotion ending is a strawman argument and does the point a disservice.
- breezybottom 5mo agoEssentially yes. Perpetual "discounts" are common in some industries, like fast fashion, so you could consider that the normal price.
- wraptile 5mo ago> If you run out of 50% coupons to your local pizza joint, did they double their prices? Yes. Did they double their msrp? no. They did double their effective price relative to me which is all that matters unless you're doing economic math or something.
- barrell 5mo agoThe original comment was used as proof of a trend that vendors are raising prices. Would running out of coupons indicate a trend in rising pizza prices?