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When was that? When phones used wires?

lacewing 5mo ago
In the US, wired phones were often leased from the phone company! If you shop for vintage phones from the 1960s, they will often have a decal to that effect. Examples: https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/71gAAeSw1URp8QPF/s-l1600.webp https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/71gAAeSw1URp8QPF/s-l1600.webp https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/tPAAAeSw~RxqBiLR/s-l1600.webp https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/tPAAAeSw~RxqBiLR/s-l1600.webp I think this started to change only in the 1980s and 1990s, thanks to cheaper electronics imported from overseas?
- oceansweep 5mo ago
  It was because of anti-monopoly legislation, https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/09/att-breakup-spinoff.asp https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/09/att-breakup-spin... ; i.e. breaking up 'Ma Bell' into the baby bells, and the current oligopoly we have instead in the modern day. An older picture showing how they were broken up and then re-merged: https://www.reddit.com/r/Futurelings/comments/r24ed0/diagram_of_how_the_baby_bell_breakup_and/#lightbox https://www.reddit.com/r/Futurelings/comments/r24ed0/diagram... or https://legalclarity.org/what-happened-to-the-baby-bells-after-atts-breakup/ https://legalclarity.org/what-happened-to-the-baby-bells-aft...
  - han1 5mo ago
    I had no idea people paid by the minute
- tomwheeler 5mo ago
  Yeah, when I was a kid you had to go to the AT&T store to get a phone.
dgellow 5mo ago
N900 days. Damn I still miss that device :(
han1 5mo ago
I wasn't alive in the 90s, so for me it was 2012-2015. Android was pretty open, iOS was easier to jailbreak, and the ecosystem felt a lot "freer" than today where you step outside of Google or Apple's garden and get endless Cloudflare captchas, apps refuse to load due to attestation, and things are designed without privacy in mind.
seba_dos1 5mo ago
In 2008 I've got a Neo Freerunner, a few years later a Nokia N900, then a Librem 5. So at least the last 18 years, I guess? We need to work hard for it to keep going though. (well, unless we start to bikeshed on the exact meaning of "fully control")

In the US, wired phones were often leased from the phone company! If you shop for vintage phones from the 1960s, they will often have a decal to that effect. Examples: https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/71gAAeSw1URp8QPF/s-l1600.webp https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/71gAAeSw1URp8QPF/s-l1600.webp https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/tPAAAeSw~RxqBiLR/s-l1600.webp https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/tPAAAeSw~RxqBiLR/s-l1600.webp I think this started to change only in the 1980s and 1990s, thanks to cheaper electronics imported from overseas?

oceansweep 5mo ago
It was because of anti-monopoly legislation, https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/09/att-breakup-spinoff.asp https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/09/att-breakup-spin... ; i.e. breaking up 'Ma Bell' into the baby bells, and the current oligopoly we have instead in the modern day. An older picture showing how they were broken up and then re-merged: https://www.reddit.com/r/Futurelings/comments/r24ed0/diagram_of_how_the_baby_bell_breakup_and/#lightbox https://www.reddit.com/r/Futurelings/comments/r24ed0/diagram... or https://legalclarity.org/what-happened-to-the-baby-bells-after-atts-breakup/ https://legalclarity.org/what-happened-to-the-baby-bells-aft...
- han1 5mo ago
  I had no idea people paid by the minute
tomwheeler 5mo ago
Yeah, when I was a kid you had to go to the AT&T store to get a phone.

dgellow 5mo ago

N900 days. Damn I still miss that device :(

han1 5mo ago

I wasn't alive in the 90s, so for me it was 2012-2015. Android was pretty open, iOS was easier to jailbreak, and the ecosystem felt a lot "freer" than today where you step outside of Google or Apple's garden and get endless Cloudflare captchas, apps refuse to load due to attestation, and things are designed without privacy in mind.

seba_dos1 5mo ago

In 2008 I've got a Neo Freerunner, a few years later a Nokia N900, then a Librem 5. So at least the last 18 years, I guess? We need to work hard for it to keep going though. (well, unless we start to bikeshed on the exact meaning of "fully control")