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Yep. I was looking for jobs the other day (because the market as a whole is kinda cooked), and one fairly small company had a half-dozen openings for Staff leve

by delecti 5mo ago

Yep. I was looking for jobs the other day (because the market as a whole is kinda cooked), and one fairly small company had a half-dozen openings for Staff level engineers, and nothing else. If I'm having this much trouble with staff level experience, I can't imagine how new grads are doing.

sheikhnbake 5mo ago
Not great. There's so much competition for so few entry-level positions.
Joel_Mckay 5mo ago
Check your schools alumni jobs board postings, and have a look at local telecom offerings. Few will want to spend $50k in resources to train knowing you will jump to a better job in 1 year. These people have been around a long time, and may be able to get you started: https://www.aerotek.com/ https://www.aerotek.com/ Would also recommend talking with companies you find interesting at local trade-shows. Don't get lazy with the online gauntlet of Ads for awful jobs, scams, and AI datasets. Best of luck, =3
- delecti 5mo ago
  You may have misread my comment a bit. I've actually got a dozen+ years experience, mostly recently at the staff level. I am currently looking and having trouble finding positions, but probably not because they're worried I'll jump ship in a year (5+ and 7+ years tenure in my two jobs). Also sorry for the downvote, it wasn't me.
  - Joel_Mckay 5mo ago
    Indeed, YC has a few griefers that engage in bad faith. Yet most people here are pretty interesting and fun to chat with. Note some "AI" firms have been data mining CVs for at least 3 years. What this means, is there will be a lot of bogus/expired listings for positions that simply don't exist. I would recommend focusing on local firms, and attending events that require physical presence. Online postings tend to have too many desperate applicants that bid down compensation packages. Best of luck, =3
- tavavex 5mo ago
  Sorry, I don't want to sound too blunt, but as someone who's young and fighting in this job market, this kind of advice comes off as the 'Come into the office, look the manager in the eyes and shake his hand' of our age. All of yesterday's clever hacks that helped you get lined up with a job faster are today's bare essentials that everyone knows about. The main issue isn't in finding good jobs, it's that every posting is flooded with hundreds of applicants, many of whom have an edge over the average graduate. Some experienced workers are agreeing to take junior jobs out of desperation. Online postings, if they're not fake/reposted, are swamped; alumni/university job boards are doubly swamped; in-person events consist of rows of company representatives who are happy to hand out flyers but will tell you that they're not looking for anyone right now, or only hiring for a rare or highly specialized position, or they'll just refer you to their website to apply with everyone else. There's almost no advantage anymore. This is true for me and everyone I know - people who get jobs are the ones who have strong connections and continue working after internships at the same company (and even that's far from a guarantee), everyone else is an exception and not the rule. And no one in their right mind is going to job hop now, the average mentality is to work hard and cower in hopes of not getting laid off. FWIW, I wasn't the one who downvoted either, but what I talked about might be a reason why someone reacted that way.
  - Joel_Mckay 5mo ago
    In general, there are usually tradeoffs people must make in their academic career path. Unless you are a trust fund kid... the path will become obvious. 1. Take the co-op work terms route, and see your GPA drop 15% to 25%. Yet the 2 terms usually equate to >1 year experience in the field for most HR offices. Yes, the co-op workers will fill the entry level positions first, as those workers are now very inexpensive institutional roles. Also, kids under 28 come with tax credits in many jurisdictions, so the work force churn is high in those firms. 2. Try to enter a graduate program, and discover academic institutions only want kids that qualify for federal funding. Thus, even if you met all the secret credit requirements that differ from your undergraduate degree.... if your GPA is below A- most faculties will just pocket application fees and quietly chuckle at the optimism. See #1 for the choice you already made. 3. Business requirements differ from expected preferences. A few months after people graduate their loans convert into actual debt. This means whatever dreams they have of running off into the sunset are replaced with the brutal desperation of 90k other new graduates with identical skill sets in the wrong area. i. However, every business has their own internal technology stack, and its often very different from academic programs. No it will not be what people expect unless you knew people that work in the place, and for example almost half of new google hires simply leave the CS hazing within a few months. Engineering firms also want to see a Professional registered seal (or you are still a normy), or the compensation package will start ridiculously low. ii. People like to see a portfolio with successful artifacts. If your background is some startup that tanked within a few years, it is less meaningful than a year in a FAANG position. iii. If you rely on online staffing agencies and Ad posts, than expect to compete with the entire planet. 4. Yes it is hard to find a position in an industry wide contraction, and most entry level positions are often a compromise. The automated LLM messaging/screeners waste a lot of peoples time, as both applicants and screeners get flooded with nonsense. 5. If people try to tell hiring firms how they should run their business, than one may expect to get ignored. It is a indicator they are going to be a problem even in training, and a liability later on. 6. Some people are still fantasizing firms will still function with LLM and outsourced labor. These are not places you will want to work at anyway, as sooner or later competition will destroy a cost-optimized development firm. The negative karma just indicates people aren't interested in discussing this emotional subject. Best of luck =3 Rule #6: Perspective is earned, and cannot be given freely. What seems reasonable or lucrative to the naive is not necessarily worth the legal encumbrances or investment risks.

by delecti 5mo ago

sheikhnbake 5mo ago

Not great. There's so much competition for so few entry-level positions.

Joel_Mckay 5mo ago

Check your schools alumni jobs board postings, and have a look at local telecom offerings. Few will want to spend $50k in resources to train knowing you will jump to a better job in 1 year. These people have been around a long time, and may be able to get you started: https://www.aerotek.com/ https://www.aerotek.com/ Would also recommend talking with companies you find interesting at local trade-shows. Don't get lazy with the online gauntlet of Ads for awful jobs, scams, and AI datasets. Best of luck, =3

delecti 5mo ago
You may have misread my comment a bit. I've actually got a dozen+ years experience, mostly recently at the staff level. I am currently looking and having trouble finding positions, but probably not because they're worried I'll jump ship in a year (5+ and 7+ years tenure in my two jobs). Also sorry for the downvote, it wasn't me.
- Joel_Mckay 5mo ago
  Indeed, YC has a few griefers that engage in bad faith. Yet most people here are pretty interesting and fun to chat with. Note some "AI" firms have been data mining CVs for at least 3 years. What this means, is there will be a lot of bogus/expired listings for positions that simply don't exist. I would recommend focusing on local firms, and attending events that require physical presence. Online postings tend to have too many desperate applicants that bid down compensation packages. Best of luck, =3
tavavex 5mo ago
Sorry, I don't want to sound too blunt, but as someone who's young and fighting in this job market, this kind of advice comes off as the 'Come into the office, look the manager in the eyes and shake his hand' of our age. All of yesterday's clever hacks that helped you get lined up with a job faster are today's bare essentials that everyone knows about. The main issue isn't in finding good jobs, it's that every posting is flooded with hundreds of applicants, many of whom have an edge over the average graduate. Some experienced workers are agreeing to take junior jobs out of desperation. Online postings, if they're not fake/reposted, are swamped; alumni/university job boards are doubly swamped; in-person events consist of rows of company representatives who are happy to hand out flyers but will tell you that they're not looking for anyone right now, or only hiring for a rare or highly specialized position, or they'll just refer you to their website to apply with everyone else. There's almost no advantage anymore. This is true for me and everyone I know - people who get jobs are the ones who have strong connections and continue working after internships at the same company (and even that's far from a guarantee), everyone else is an exception and not the rule. And no one in their right mind is going to job hop now, the average mentality is to work hard and cower in hopes of not getting laid off. FWIW, I wasn't the one who downvoted either, but what I talked about might be a reason why someone reacted that way.
- Joel_Mckay 5mo ago
  In general, there are usually tradeoffs people must make in their academic career path. Unless you are a trust fund kid... the path will become obvious. 1. Take the co-op work terms route, and see your GPA drop 15% to 25%. Yet the 2 terms usually equate to >1 year experience in the field for most HR offices. Yes, the co-op workers will fill the entry level positions first, as those workers are now very inexpensive institutional roles. Also, kids under 28 come with tax credits in many jurisdictions, so the work force churn is high in those firms. 2. Try to enter a graduate program, and discover academic institutions only want kids that qualify for federal funding. Thus, even if you met all the secret credit requirements that differ from your undergraduate degree.... if your GPA is below A- most faculties will just pocket application fees and quietly chuckle at the optimism. See #1 for the choice you already made. 3. Business requirements differ from expected preferences. A few months after people graduate their loans convert into actual debt. This means whatever dreams they have of running off into the sunset are replaced with the brutal desperation of 90k other new graduates with identical skill sets in the wrong area. i. However, every business has their own internal technology stack, and its often very different from academic programs. No it will not be what people expect unless you knew people that work in the place, and for example almost half of new google hires simply leave the CS hazing within a few months. Engineering firms also want to see a Professional registered seal (or you are still a normy), or the compensation package will start ridiculously low. ii. People like to see a portfolio with successful artifacts. If your background is some startup that tanked within a few years, it is less meaningful than a year in a FAANG position. iii. If you rely on online staffing agencies and Ad posts, than expect to compete with the entire planet. 4. Yes it is hard to find a position in an industry wide contraction, and most entry level positions are often a compromise. The automated LLM messaging/screeners waste a lot of peoples time, as both applicants and screeners get flooded with nonsense. 5. If people try to tell hiring firms how they should run their business, than one may expect to get ignored. It is a indicator they are going to be a problem even in training, and a liability later on. 6. Some people are still fantasizing firms will still function with LLM and outsourced labor. These are not places you will want to work at anyway, as sooner or later competition will destroy a cost-optimized development firm. The negative karma just indicates people aren't interested in discussing this emotional subject. Best of luck =3 Rule #6: Perspective is earned, and cannot be given freely. What seems reasonable or lucrative to the naive is not necessarily worth the legal encumbrances or investment risks.