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College students are cooked for entry level work. I'm guessing there will soon be a government mandate requiring some percentage of NCGs to be hired, similar t

College students are cooked for entry level work. I'm guessing there will soon be a government mandate requiring some percentage of NCGs to be hired, similar to India and other countries with huge cohorts.

mkw5053 5mo ago
I believe Anthropic has stopped hiring junior and mid eng. So if they're an indication of what's the come (or is already here)
- Joel_Mckay 5mo ago
  They are a business, and not an outreach program. Note NVIDIA is engaged in questionable operations that must end... sooner or later. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUbJDrL6ZfM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUbJDrL6ZfM Unfortunately, the economic fallout will impact kids hardest. =3
delecti 5mo ago
Yep. I was looking for jobs the other day (because the market as a whole is kinda cooked), and one fairly small company had a half-dozen openings for Staff level engineers, and nothing else. If I'm having this much trouble with staff level experience, I can't imagine how new grads are doing.
- sheikhnbake 5mo ago
  Not great. There's so much competition for so few entry-level positions.
- Joel_Mckay 5mo ago
  Check your schools alumni jobs board postings, and have a look at local telecom offerings. Few will want to spend $50k in resources to train knowing you will jump to a better job in 1 year. These people have been around a long time, and may be able to get you started: https://www.aerotek.com/ https://www.aerotek.com/ Would also recommend talking with companies you find interesting at local trade-shows. Don't get lazy with the online gauntlet of Ads for awful jobs, scams, and AI datasets. Best of luck, =3
  - delecti 5mo ago
    You may have misread my comment a bit. I've actually got a dozen+ years experience, mostly recently at the staff level. I am currently looking and having trouble finding positions, but probably not because they're worried I'll jump ship in a year (5+ and 7+ years tenure in my two jobs). Also sorry for the downvote, it wasn't me.
    - Joel_Mckay 5mo ago
      Indeed, YC has a few griefers that engage in bad faith. Yet most people here are pretty interesting and fun to chat with. Note some "AI" firms have been data mining CVs for at least 3 years. What this means, is there will be a lot of bogus/expired listings for positions that simply don't exist. I would recommend focusing on local firms, and attending events that require physical presence. Online postings tend to have too many desperate applicants that bid down compensation packages. Best of luck, =3
  - tavavex 5mo ago
    Sorry, I don't want to sound too blunt, but as someone who's young and fighting in this job market, this kind of advice comes off as the 'Come into the office, look the manager in the eyes and shake his hand' of our age. All of yesterday's clever hacks that helped you get lined up with a job faster are today's bare essentials that everyone knows about. The main issue isn't in finding good jobs, it's that every posting is flooded with hundreds of applicants, many of whom have an edge over the average graduate. Some experienced workers are agreeing to take junior jobs out of desperation. Online postings, if they're not fake/reposted, are swamped; alumni/university job boards are doubly swamped; in-person events consist of rows of company representatives who are happy to hand out flyers but will tell you that they're not looking for anyone right now, or only hiring for a rare or highly specialized position, or they'll just refer you to their website to apply with everyone else. There's almost no advantage anymore. This is true for me and everyone I know - people who get jobs are the ones who have strong connections and continue working after internships at the same company (and even that's far from a guarantee), everyone else is an exception and not the rule. And no one in their right mind is going to job hop now, the average mentality is to work hard and cower in hopes of not getting laid off. FWIW, I wasn't the one who downvoted either, but what I talked about might be a reason why someone reacted that way.

mkw5053 5mo ago

I believe Anthropic has stopped hiring junior and mid eng. So if they're an indication of what's the come (or is already here)

Joel_Mckay 5mo ago
They are a business, and not an outreach program. Note NVIDIA is engaged in questionable operations that must end... sooner or later. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUbJDrL6ZfM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUbJDrL6ZfM Unfortunately, the economic fallout will impact kids hardest. =3

delecti 5mo ago

Yep. I was looking for jobs the other day (because the market as a whole is kinda cooked), and one fairly small company had a half-dozen openings for Staff level engineers, and nothing else. If I'm having this much trouble with staff level experience, I can't imagine how new grads are doing.

sheikhnbake 5mo ago
Not great. There's so much competition for so few entry-level positions.
Joel_Mckay 5mo ago
Check your schools alumni jobs board postings, and have a look at local telecom offerings. Few will want to spend $50k in resources to train knowing you will jump to a better job in 1 year. These people have been around a long time, and may be able to get you started: https://www.aerotek.com/ https://www.aerotek.com/ Would also recommend talking with companies you find interesting at local trade-shows. Don't get lazy with the online gauntlet of Ads for awful jobs, scams, and AI datasets. Best of luck, =3
- delecti 5mo ago
  You may have misread my comment a bit. I've actually got a dozen+ years experience, mostly recently at the staff level. I am currently looking and having trouble finding positions, but probably not because they're worried I'll jump ship in a year (5+ and 7+ years tenure in my two jobs). Also sorry for the downvote, it wasn't me.
  - Joel_Mckay 5mo ago
    Indeed, YC has a few griefers that engage in bad faith. Yet most people here are pretty interesting and fun to chat with. Note some "AI" firms have been data mining CVs for at least 3 years. What this means, is there will be a lot of bogus/expired listings for positions that simply don't exist. I would recommend focusing on local firms, and attending events that require physical presence. Online postings tend to have too many desperate applicants that bid down compensation packages. Best of luck, =3
- tavavex 5mo ago
  Sorry, I don't want to sound too blunt, but as someone who's young and fighting in this job market, this kind of advice comes off as the 'Come into the office, look the manager in the eyes and shake his hand' of our age. All of yesterday's clever hacks that helped you get lined up with a job faster are today's bare essentials that everyone knows about. The main issue isn't in finding good jobs, it's that every posting is flooded with hundreds of applicants, many of whom have an edge over the average graduate. Some experienced workers are agreeing to take junior jobs out of desperation. Online postings, if they're not fake/reposted, are swamped; alumni/university job boards are doubly swamped; in-person events consist of rows of company representatives who are happy to hand out flyers but will tell you that they're not looking for anyone right now, or only hiring for a rare or highly specialized position, or they'll just refer you to their website to apply with everyone else. There's almost no advantage anymore. This is true for me and everyone I know - people who get jobs are the ones who have strong connections and continue working after internships at the same company (and even that's far from a guarantee), everyone else is an exception and not the rule. And no one in their right mind is going to job hop now, the average mentality is to work hard and cower in hopes of not getting laid off. FWIW, I wasn't the one who downvoted either, but what I talked about might be a reason why someone reacted that way.