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1. GIMP needs a total UX overhaul 2. GIMP needs RAW support, precision support, and a better data backbone 3. GIMP needs a rename. It's both a sex kink term [

by echelon 5mo ago

1. GIMP needs a total UX overhaul 2. GIMP needs RAW support, precision support, and a better data backbone 3. GIMP needs a rename. It's both a sex kink term [1] (not to yuck anyone's yums) and a slur term for disabled people [2] 4. Gen AI will probably disrupt all of this anyway. [1] https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00I8S3ZHQ https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00I8S3ZHQ [2] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gimp https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gimp

enthdegree 5mo ago
Your point number 3 is very irritating to read.
- DANmode 5mo ago
  Why?
867-5309 5mo ago
and what do you propose for the Great Internet Mersenne Prime search?
- lynndotpy 5mo ago
  How would any of this apply to GIMPS? I think you might be equivocating these on their names, but it's simply not the same. People complain about the name of GIMP because it causes them problems when trying to use it in work and school. But nobody is complaining about GIMPS name, right? It's not even software.
mghackerlady 5mo ago
1. I don't disagree 2. GIMP isn't a raw editor, use darktable or rawtherapee 3. Poor naming decisions do not warrant a change this late, people know GIMP 4. Keep dreaming
Asooka 5mo ago
Eh, every term for disabled people becomes a slur. Moron->idiot->retard (the latter being so unacceptable in modern speech it is labelled by the kids as "the hard r"). But you are right, we should simply not use terms for disabled people in software names. I propose "Thirty Years and Still Cannot Draw a Circle" or the hip short name :no-entry-sign: emoji.
- lynndotpy 5mo ago
  Tangent, but it might help you avoid an embarrassing situation later on. If someone says "They called me the hard-R", they're not talking about the R-word. "R----d" is usually just called "the R word", while "the hard R" refers specifically to the standard version of "the N word". (As opposed to "the soft A", which is sometimes used synonymous with "dude".)
  - jaffa2 5mo ago
    hard R = ends in 'a' soft R = ends in 'er' ? or am i wrong
    - lynndotpy 5mo ago
      No no, the other way around; hard R ends in 'er', and soft R ends in 'a' (despite not having an R).
  - Asooka 5mo ago
    That sounds preposterous, it's the same word no matter your accent. I am sticking to my version.
    - lynndotpy 5mo ago
      Hey, I'm just describing how some words are used
tokai 5mo ago
This comment should just be automatically posted in every GIMP thread. Then nobody else needs to post these trite points again and again and again and again.
- mattkevan 5mo ago
  Maybe if they're posted again and again, they're real pain points and should be addressed?
  - tokai 5mo ago
    No obviously not. They are just easy to bring up without ever engaging with the actual material.
    - lynndotpy 5mo ago
      GIMP and its UI are the only material here, what are you talking about? These are pain points about GIMP that multiple people have brought up every time GIMP has been mentioned online for decades. I say this as someone who has used GIMP for two decades now. It was the first real image editor I used, so the UI/UX is fine to me, but it's clearly a problem. GIMP is steadfast about the name, but has been slowly incorporating UI/UX improvements since its existence. (Single window mode, canvas rotation, more consistent UI on Macs with 3.0, high DPI support, etc.) GIMP doesn't have raw support yet, but it does have high bitdepth support (both integer and floating point). The whole point of GIMPShop and PhotoGIMP are to address these pain points.
jrm4 5mo ago
Again, it's about 20 years too late, but the rename thing is absolutely correct and I continue to be gobsmacked by the amount of people here who don't get this, especially as I've seen this place slowly move from actually being about "hacking" to being about "tech and business." Perception matters; Y'all are so wild for this.
- lynndotpy 5mo ago
  While I agree, and I've been hammering this point as a GIMP user for two decades I think the "GIMP is actually a fine name" are increasingly a minority. Its name makes GIMP hostile to user adoption. Anyone who works in a primarily English-spekaing country knows what it's like to try to use GIMP at work, especially in K-12. It's not like it was an accident, either. GIMP is a backronym because they wanted to name it after the full-body sex slave suit. They shot themselves in the face with that one.
  - mixmastamyk 5mo ago
    It’s only the British (and influenced by) who have a negative view of the name. The rest of us don’t care, and wish you’d quit bringing it up. For example there’s a juice company here in the US named ’Suja,’ and it’s obvious they have no Brazilian employees because it means dirty/obscene in Portuguese. Simple words sometimes mean unfortunate things in other countries. Adults get over them.
    - jrm4 5mo ago
      Individual adults absolutely do, but "systems, PR, and institutions" DO NOT, and that is the important lesson that so many people here aggressively dodge. I personally can download this software and use it on my computer. Now, can I recommend it to my class? Through zero fault or opinion of my own, it still might be a very bad idea for me professionally. Maybe I don't like how sensitive people are. TOO BAD, it doesn't matter in this context. The clowns who refuse to rename GIMP keep missing a huge opportunity.
      - 5mo ago
firebot 5mo ago
3. They should rename it LIMP. Linux ....

by echelon 5mo ago

enthdegree 5mo ago

Your point number 3 is very irritating to read.

DANmode 5mo ago
Why?

867-5309 5mo ago

and what do you propose for the Great Internet Mersenne Prime search?

lynndotpy 5mo ago
How would any of this apply to GIMPS? I think you might be equivocating these on their names, but it's simply not the same. People complain about the name of GIMP because it causes them problems when trying to use it in work and school. But nobody is complaining about GIMPS name, right? It's not even software.

mghackerlady 5mo ago

1. I don't disagree 2. GIMP isn't a raw editor, use darktable or rawtherapee 3. Poor naming decisions do not warrant a change this late, people know GIMP 4. Keep dreaming

Asooka 5mo ago

Eh, every term for disabled people becomes a slur. Moron->idiot->retard (the latter being so unacceptable in modern speech it is labelled by the kids as "the hard r"). But you are right, we should simply not use terms for disabled people in software names. I propose "Thirty Years and Still Cannot Draw a Circle" or the hip short name :no-entry-sign: emoji.

lynndotpy 5mo ago
Tangent, but it might help you avoid an embarrassing situation later on. If someone says "They called me the hard-R", they're not talking about the R-word. "R----d" is usually just called "the R word", while "the hard R" refers specifically to the standard version of "the N word". (As opposed to "the soft A", which is sometimes used synonymous with "dude".)
- jaffa2 5mo ago
  hard R = ends in 'a' soft R = ends in 'er' ? or am i wrong
  - lynndotpy 5mo ago
    No no, the other way around; hard R ends in 'er', and soft R ends in 'a' (despite not having an R).
- Asooka 5mo ago
  That sounds preposterous, it's the same word no matter your accent. I am sticking to my version.
  - lynndotpy 5mo ago
    Hey, I'm just describing how some words are used

tokai 5mo ago

This comment should just be automatically posted in every GIMP thread. Then nobody else needs to post these trite points again and again and again and again.

mattkevan 5mo ago
Maybe if they're posted again and again, they're real pain points and should be addressed?
- tokai 5mo ago
  No obviously not. They are just easy to bring up without ever engaging with the actual material.
  - lynndotpy 5mo ago
    GIMP and its UI are the only material here, what are you talking about? These are pain points about GIMP that multiple people have brought up every time GIMP has been mentioned online for decades. I say this as someone who has used GIMP for two decades now. It was the first real image editor I used, so the UI/UX is fine to me, but it's clearly a problem. GIMP is steadfast about the name, but has been slowly incorporating UI/UX improvements since its existence. (Single window mode, canvas rotation, more consistent UI on Macs with 3.0, high DPI support, etc.) GIMP doesn't have raw support yet, but it does have high bitdepth support (both integer and floating point). The whole point of GIMPShop and PhotoGIMP are to address these pain points.

jrm4 5mo ago

Again, it's about 20 years too late, but the rename thing is absolutely correct and I continue to be gobsmacked by the amount of people here who don't get this, especially as I've seen this place slowly move from actually being about "hacking" to being about "tech and business." Perception matters; Y'all are so wild for this.

lynndotpy 5mo ago
While I agree, and I've been hammering this point as a GIMP user for two decades I think the "GIMP is actually a fine name" are increasingly a minority. Its name makes GIMP hostile to user adoption. Anyone who works in a primarily English-spekaing country knows what it's like to try to use GIMP at work, especially in K-12. It's not like it was an accident, either. GIMP is a backronym because they wanted to name it after the full-body sex slave suit. They shot themselves in the face with that one.
- mixmastamyk 5mo ago
  It’s only the British (and influenced by) who have a negative view of the name. The rest of us don’t care, and wish you’d quit bringing it up. For example there’s a juice company here in the US named ’Suja,’ and it’s obvious they have no Brazilian employees because it means dirty/obscene in Portuguese. Simple words sometimes mean unfortunate things in other countries. Adults get over them.
  - jrm4 5mo ago
    Individual adults absolutely do, but "systems, PR, and institutions" DO NOT, and that is the important lesson that so many people here aggressively dodge. I personally can download this software and use it on my computer. Now, can I recommend it to my class? Through zero fault or opinion of my own, it still might be a very bad idea for me professionally. Maybe I don't like how sensitive people are. TOO BAD, it doesn't matter in this context. The clowns who refuse to rename GIMP keep missing a huge opportunity.
    - 5mo ago

firebot 5mo ago

3. They should rename it LIMP. Linux ....