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How can distilled opus become better than original? There are numbers of reports including anthropic that kimi team was participating in fraudulent activities

by maxdo 5mo ago

throwa356262 5mo ago
Do we know the "fraudulent " requests really came from moonshot engineers and was not QA team running a ton of benchmarks against other models? I feel distilling something as big as Opus would require many many more samples, but I dont really know much about this subject
- maxdo 5mo ago
  sure, sounds like QA lol Scale: Over 3.4 million exchanges The operation targeted: Agentic reasoning and tool use Coding and data analysis Computer-use agent development Computer vision Moonshot (Kimi models) employed hundreds of fraudulent accounts spanning multiple access pathways. Varied account types made the campaign harder to detect as a coordinated operation. We attributed the campaign through request metadata, which matched the public profiles of senior Moonshot staff. In a later phase, Moonshot used a more targeted approach, attempting to extract and reconstruct Claude’s reasoning traces.
  - ta20240528 5mo ago
    And when you here unsubstantiated rumours* that say Anthropic has been sending exchanges to say Alibaba's Qwen, will you als oconclude the same about the entire US AI industry? I doubt it. * publish the logs.
    - ifwinterco 5mo ago
      Even if it's true, it's not like US AI companies can complain, given their entire business is based on ripping off text without attribution
      - maxdo 5mo ago
        chinese ai is not doing the same? or they don't parse? they do except they also send thousands of sex-spies to do espionage of this kind on the scale.
        ifwinterco 5mo ago
        Of course they’re also doing this, my point is this is a grubby business where ethics went out of the window a long time ago. If you’re playing this game in 2026 you know the rules - anything goes
        ta20240528 5mo ago
        "they also send thousands of sex-spies" Could they send one (or two) my way?

How can distilled opus become better than original? There are numbers of reports including anthropic that kimi team was participating in fraudulent activities

by maxdo 5mo ago

How can distilled opus become better than original? There are numbers of reports including anthropic that kimi team was participating in fraudulent activities

throwa356262 5mo ago

Do we know the "fraudulent " requests really came from moonshot engineers and was not QA team running a ton of benchmarks against other models? I feel distilling something as big as Opus would require many many more samples, but I dont really know much about this subject

maxdo 5mo ago
sure, sounds like QA lol Scale: Over 3.4 million exchanges The operation targeted: Agentic reasoning and tool use Coding and data analysis Computer-use agent development Computer vision Moonshot (Kimi models) employed hundreds of fraudulent accounts spanning multiple access pathways. Varied account types made the campaign harder to detect as a coordinated operation. We attributed the campaign through request metadata, which matched the public profiles of senior Moonshot staff. In a later phase, Moonshot used a more targeted approach, attempting to extract and reconstruct Claude’s reasoning traces.
- ta20240528 5mo ago
  And when you here unsubstantiated rumours* that say Anthropic has been sending exchanges to say Alibaba's Qwen, will you als oconclude the same about the entire US AI industry? I doubt it. * publish the logs.
  - ifwinterco 5mo ago
    Even if it's true, it's not like US AI companies can complain, given their entire business is based on ripping off text without attribution
    - maxdo 5mo ago
      chinese ai is not doing the same? or they don't parse? they do except they also send thousands of sex-spies to do espionage of this kind on the scale.
      - ifwinterco 5mo ago
        Of course they’re also doing this, my point is this is a grubby business where ethics went out of the window a long time ago. If you’re playing this game in 2026 you know the rules - anything goes
      - ta20240528 5mo ago
        "they also send thousands of sex-spies" Could they send one (or two) my way?