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i'm assuming this guy has done real world work before? the idea of a compiler/language lead programmer effectively having lived in academia is terrifying on man

by jheriko 14y ago

i'm assuming this guy has done real world work before? the idea of a compiler/language lead programmer effectively having lived in academia is terrifying on many levels. best of luck to him at any rate. haskell and ghc are a cool language and compiler combo, one i have enjoyed for recreational programming time and time again.

freyrs3 14y ago
> i'm assuming this guy has done real world work before? Yes, very much. He's one of the leading voices in the parallel Haskell world and a very accomplished programmer: * http://hackage.haskell.org/package/stm http://hackage.haskell.org/package/stm * http://hackage.haskell.org/package/async http://hackage.haskell.org/package/async * http://hackage.haskell.org/package/happy http://hackage.haskell.org/package/happy
plinkplonk 14y ago
"The idea of a compiler/language lead programmer effectively having lived in academia is terrifying on many levels." The apparent cluelessness level of this statement is so high, I am unable to decide if this is just ignorance or very sophisticated trolling. If the compiler dev working in a university or a research lab while developing the compiler is "terrifying", you should avoid C, C++, and Python, not to mention smalltalk, Pascal, Prolog, Common Lisp, Scheme, SML and OCaml .... There is always PHP. Turing Completeness FTW.
- tensor 14y ago
  It's tempting to down vote him, but at the same time this is a real sentiment that some people seem to have. Perhaps it should be grouped into the current anti-intellectual trend. Either way, it's a real problem.
  - vitalique 14y ago
    >It's tempting to down vote him Why? Ignoring the ignorance does no good. Trend you've mentioned is nothing new, sadly, but if you are on the weaker side (the one that intellectuals always tend to find themselves on), the way to win is not to try to down vote clueless guys into the light-grey invisibility, imo, but to try to explain to them what's wrong with their view of the world.
    - jheriko 14y ago
      What is so ignorant about the statement? Enlighten me...
      - aidenn0 14y ago
        plinkplonk more or less said it all. PHP and Perl being the notable exceptions the vast majority of widely used langauges were developed by academics.
gtrak 14y ago
The real world is crappy, and we're depending on these academic types to free us from the drollness of it, because we don't all have time to invent an STM. If I wanted to write CRUD apps all day and say that's real-world, I suppose I could, but I would rather enjoy enlightenment. Function invocation overhead, you say? Why would I want that? How about Garbage Collection? It'll never work. It's their responsibility to create foundational research, and it's ours to filter through it and prove the good bits with fire. 'Practical' is a red-herring, I think. We have no way to predict the future, but we all care about progress.
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gclaramunt 14y ago
err... do you know that (since 1.4 IIRC) the java compiler is the one written by Martin Odersky?
- pjmlp 14y ago
  Wasn't 1.5? Martin's work was related to generics, which got introduced in 1.5.
  - fhars 14y ago
    It was 1.3, but the interesting features were disabled in production builds until 1.5, http://docs.oracle.com/javase/specs/jls/se7/html/jls-0-preface3.html http://docs.oracle.com/javase/specs/jls/se7/html/jls-0-prefa...
    - pjmlp 14y ago
      Thanks for the clarification.
- sambeau 14y ago
  …and Philip Wadler principle designer of the Haskell programming language. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_Java_(programming_language) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_Java_(programming_langu...

by jheriko 14y ago

freyrs3 14y ago

> i'm assuming this guy has done real world work before? Yes, very much. He's one of the leading voices in the parallel Haskell world and a very accomplished programmer: * http://hackage.haskell.org/package/stm http://hackage.haskell.org/package/stm * http://hackage.haskell.org/package/async http://hackage.haskell.org/package/async * http://hackage.haskell.org/package/happy http://hackage.haskell.org/package/happy

plinkplonk 14y ago

"The idea of a compiler/language lead programmer effectively having lived in academia is terrifying on many levels." The apparent cluelessness level of this statement is so high, I am unable to decide if this is just ignorance or very sophisticated trolling. If the compiler dev working in a university or a research lab while developing the compiler is "terrifying", you should avoid C, C++, and Python, not to mention smalltalk, Pascal, Prolog, Common Lisp, Scheme, SML and OCaml .... There is always PHP. Turing Completeness FTW.

tensor 14y ago
It's tempting to down vote him, but at the same time this is a real sentiment that some people seem to have. Perhaps it should be grouped into the current anti-intellectual trend. Either way, it's a real problem.
- vitalique 14y ago
  >It's tempting to down vote him Why? Ignoring the ignorance does no good. Trend you've mentioned is nothing new, sadly, but if you are on the weaker side (the one that intellectuals always tend to find themselves on), the way to win is not to try to down vote clueless guys into the light-grey invisibility, imo, but to try to explain to them what's wrong with their view of the world.
  - jheriko 14y ago
    What is so ignorant about the statement? Enlighten me...
    - aidenn0 14y ago
      plinkplonk more or less said it all. PHP and Perl being the notable exceptions the vast majority of widely used langauges were developed by academics.

gtrak 14y ago

The real world is crappy, and we're depending on these academic types to free us from the drollness of it, because we don't all have time to invent an STM. If I wanted to write CRUD apps all day and say that's real-world, I suppose I could, but I would rather enjoy enlightenment. Function invocation overhead, you say? Why would I want that? How about Garbage Collection? It'll never work. It's their responsibility to create foundational research, and it's ours to filter through it and prove the good bits with fire. 'Practical' is a red-herring, I think. We have no way to predict the future, but we all care about progress.

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gclaramunt 14y ago

err... do you know that (since 1.4 IIRC) the java compiler is the one written by Martin Odersky?

pjmlp 14y ago
Wasn't 1.5? Martin's work was related to generics, which got introduced in 1.5.
- fhars 14y ago
  It was 1.3, but the interesting features were disabled in production builds until 1.5, http://docs.oracle.com/javase/specs/jls/se7/html/jls-0-preface3.html http://docs.oracle.com/javase/specs/jls/se7/html/jls-0-prefa...
  - pjmlp 14y ago
    Thanks for the clarification.
sambeau 14y ago
…and Philip Wadler principle designer of the Haskell programming language. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_Java_(programming_language) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_Java_(programming_langu...