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1w seems a little limited? A cheap baofeng is 8w.

by RobotToaster 5mo ago

lormayna 5mo ago
Only on the paper, the real power is around 3/3.5W
takipsizad 5mo ago
1w is usually okay and using 8w from a phone is probably way too much power demand
Kaliboy 5mo ago
Those cheap baofeng's are illegal to use where I live on most of the spectrum they can operate on. Illegal to press the talk button anyway. So maybe the 1w is also a regulatory issue.
- asdff 5mo ago
  How does the FCC enforce this sort of thing? Are they listening in to certain frequencies nationally with the ability to triangulate a handheld down to actually identifying someone?
  - l23k4 5mo ago
    Unless you're going out of your way to force them to react, they do not.
  - martheen 5mo ago
    Someone complained, they send someone to check and triangulate, verify that the operator doesn't have the license, then issue a warning or fine.
    - deleted 5mo ago
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    - asdff 5mo ago
      I wonder how close they can triangulate? I'd guess they are SOL if I am in an apartment building with 200 other units.
      - martheen 5mo ago
        I mean, if you're deliberately being a dick about it, they will ask for a warrant and have the LEO accompanying them while triangulating, they can easily figure out which unit and even room you're in by walking around in the building with directional receiver. But in general, yeah, unless you do it regularly, living near sensitive facilities (airport, military base, hospital, factories, research labs etc) or deliberately transmitting at/near emergency frequencies (police, paramedic etc) at most you'll get yelled by a pissed off operator (at that point, stop, they could be already coordinating with someone else to triangulate you)
  - fodmap 5mo ago
    Most of the time they get a complaint, and they investigate. https://www.fcc.gov/reports-research/guides/fcc-enforcement-bureau-broadcasters-guide https://www.fcc.gov/reports-research/guides/fcc-enforcement-...
    - asdff 5mo ago
      Wow, you mail them the complaint? No reason to worry about accidentally hitting the talk button I guess. Probably nothing happening unless you spam the frequency for weeks I'd guess.
      - mystraline 5mo ago
        Yes, weeks if its cell or GPS. Months or never otherwise.
  - Bender 5mo ago
    They mostly don't. They send scary letters and maybe eventually fine someone. They have a handful of triangulation vans for the entire US. The barely respond to complaints that are revenue impacting and generally don't respond to complaints from hams that a non ham is using their equipment. Once a quarter they make an example of someone so that it appears they enforce things. The people they make examples of are usually trying really hard to troll them or doing something highly disruptive and these will end up on a few websites and magazines. People tinkering and staying away from ham bands will generally be fine and for the cheap ham gear that made easy by design usually by doing a factory reset or worst case having to clip a diode to widen their frequency ranges. Most ham gear is designed to be highly hackable.
    - gh02t 5mo ago
      You only really get attention from the FCC if you interfere with some other service, especially broadcast or emergency communications frequencies. Grumpy Hams will also hunt you down sometimes, but only if you're persistent. Otherwise yeah, the FCC can't practically enforce every rule everywhere and doesn't really try. Still, get a license and be a good citizen if you want to play with this kind of thing, it's not very difficult.
      - Bender 5mo ago
        Agreed. One youtuber [1] calls them Sad Hams. That has stuck with me. Linked video is the FCC's recent enforcement actions. I personally find some ham gear to be slightly less sloppy 11 meter rigs and a number of others agree. [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeMjMlHpus8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeMjMlHpus8
- souterrain 5mo ago
  In the US all transmitting at 1W with these radios is contrary to regulations. That said, no one is going to stop you from squatting on 146.580 MHz for example, a frequency commonly used by outdoors folks, rules notwithstanding.
  - ac29 5mo ago
    > In the US all transmitting at 1W with these radios is contrary to regulations. With a ham license the limit is 1.5kW, without one its zero

1w seems a little limited? A cheap baofeng is 8w.

lormayna 5mo ago

Only on the paper, the real power is around 3/3.5W

takipsizad 5mo ago

1w is usually okay and using 8w from a phone is probably way too much power demand

Kaliboy 5mo ago

Those cheap baofeng's are illegal to use where I live on most of the spectrum they can operate on. Illegal to press the talk button anyway. So maybe the 1w is also a regulatory issue.

asdff 5mo ago
How does the FCC enforce this sort of thing? Are they listening in to certain frequencies nationally with the ability to triangulate a handheld down to actually identifying someone?
- l23k4 5mo ago
  Unless you're going out of your way to force them to react, they do not.
- martheen 5mo ago
  Someone complained, they send someone to check and triangulate, verify that the operator doesn't have the license, then issue a warning or fine.
  - deleted 5mo ago
    [deleted]
  - asdff 5mo ago
    I wonder how close they can triangulate? I'd guess they are SOL if I am in an apartment building with 200 other units.
    - martheen 5mo ago
      I mean, if you're deliberately being a dick about it, they will ask for a warrant and have the LEO accompanying them while triangulating, they can easily figure out which unit and even room you're in by walking around in the building with directional receiver. But in general, yeah, unless you do it regularly, living near sensitive facilities (airport, military base, hospital, factories, research labs etc) or deliberately transmitting at/near emergency frequencies (police, paramedic etc) at most you'll get yelled by a pissed off operator (at that point, stop, they could be already coordinating with someone else to triangulate you)
- fodmap 5mo ago
  Most of the time they get a complaint, and they investigate. https://www.fcc.gov/reports-research/guides/fcc-enforcement-bureau-broadcasters-guide https://www.fcc.gov/reports-research/guides/fcc-enforcement-...
  - asdff 5mo ago
    Wow, you mail them the complaint? No reason to worry about accidentally hitting the talk button I guess. Probably nothing happening unless you spam the frequency for weeks I'd guess.
    - mystraline 5mo ago
      Yes, weeks if its cell or GPS. Months or never otherwise.
- Bender 5mo ago
  They mostly don't. They send scary letters and maybe eventually fine someone. They have a handful of triangulation vans for the entire US. The barely respond to complaints that are revenue impacting and generally don't respond to complaints from hams that a non ham is using their equipment. Once a quarter they make an example of someone so that it appears they enforce things. The people they make examples of are usually trying really hard to troll them or doing something highly disruptive and these will end up on a few websites and magazines. People tinkering and staying away from ham bands will generally be fine and for the cheap ham gear that made easy by design usually by doing a factory reset or worst case having to clip a diode to widen their frequency ranges. Most ham gear is designed to be highly hackable.
  - gh02t 5mo ago
    You only really get attention from the FCC if you interfere with some other service, especially broadcast or emergency communications frequencies. Grumpy Hams will also hunt you down sometimes, but only if you're persistent. Otherwise yeah, the FCC can't practically enforce every rule everywhere and doesn't really try. Still, get a license and be a good citizen if you want to play with this kind of thing, it's not very difficult.
    - Bender 5mo ago
      Agreed. One youtuber [1] calls them Sad Hams. That has stuck with me. Linked video is the FCC's recent enforcement actions. I personally find some ham gear to be slightly less sloppy 11 meter rigs and a number of others agree. [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeMjMlHpus8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeMjMlHpus8
souterrain 5mo ago
In the US all transmitting at 1W with these radios is contrary to regulations. That said, no one is going to stop you from squatting on 146.580 MHz for example, a frequency commonly used by outdoors folks, rules notwithstanding.
- ac29 5mo ago
  > In the US all transmitting at 1W with these radios is contrary to regulations. With a ham license the limit is 1.5kW, without one its zero